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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

I'm still seeing stuff like this...

Supporters of Mr Corbyn say if he is challenged he will simply stand again and expect to win. However, there are different opinions on whether Mr Corbyn would have the automatic right to do this

Pro-Corbyn factions within the parliamentary Labour Party say as leader he will automatically be on the ballot paper, but others dispute this.

They point to a Times article in November 2015 which reported that legal advice had been sought by the party which suggested a sitting leader would need to receive nominations from MPs and MEPs in order to stand again.

The only time since 1945 that a sitting Labour leader has been challenged was in 1988 when Tony Benn sought to topple Neil Kinnock. Neil Kinnock says he had to be endorsed by members of the PLP in order to get on the ballot - which some argue has set a precedent.

The issue is crucial because Mr Corbyn could struggle to get 50 nominations, if they were needed.
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Given that they really don't give a fuck what the members think - and that they're now desperate - is there any reason to think that they'll give up on pursuing this as far as they can (knowing that he'd be very lucky to get 50 noms)? :hmm:
Or is it just bollocks?
 
lefteri said:
new labour can't possibly field a candidate that voted for the iraq invasion with chilcot about to hit the headlines, surely that's why corbyn's hanging in there
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it may well be, but there are huge swathes if the PLP who weren't MP's in 2003 - theres plenty of candidates to choose from who are unsullied if Chilcot spreads the blame far and wide - if he's hanging on just to deny the job to someone who did vote for Iraq, then you'd have to ask if that was principled, or just a little exercise in settling old scores...

if he goes and is replaced by someone acceptable to the PLP, but that someone wasn't involved in Iraq, will the damage done to the party by carrying on longer than he would have done if Chilcot wasn't on the cards be worth that score?
 
Educate, agitate, organise!
Guest Post, June 28th 2016, 6:48 pm

This is a guest post by Graham Taylor, former Chair and Election Agent Tower Hamlets Labour Party

I am going to ask HP readers to do something more than read this article. I want you to sign up as many £3 registered supporters as you can. I got about half a dozen to commit yesterday. Friends, family, neighbours. And also to encourage affiliated union members to vote.

Tonight’s no-confidence vote in Jeremy Corbyn and his refusal to resign means that a challenge will be launched and the Labour Party will run a leadership election on the current party rules. While there is some dispute about whether the incumbent will automatically be on the ballot paper my expectation is that, due to the trade union left dominance on the NEC (Labour’s ruling body).

What happens next?

Once the challenge is mounted [probably tomorrow], my expectation is that the NEC will pretty much run the same process as last year, with a leadership election taking place over the summer [the difference being that JC will be in charge until he isn’t!]

What about the members?
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The Maquis are mobilising, this was on Harrys Place.
 
What do we do now?

If even just every fully paid up member that voted against Corbyn last year signed up one anti-Corbyn £3er, we’d slaughter him. All of us who believe last week was a tragedy and want to see a better future need to sign up as many people as possible. What’s amazed me in the last week is just how many of my friends who usually have very little interest in what I do politically have been telling me that ‘You need to get rid of him’; friends, family even my next door neighbour in the pub watching the match [anyone that knows me will know what an unlikely scenario this is]. And my response to each of them has been – you need to sign up, and you need to get everyone that you know to sign up.

Secondly you need to encourage anyone you know in an affiliated union to vote, and to ignore their leadership if they’re backing Corbyn

We then need to rebuild the party, and sizeable chunks of the country, but let’s find an effective leader of HM Opposition to start with.
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kebabking said:
it may well be, but there are huge swathes if the PLP who weren't MP's in 2003 - theres plenty of candidates to choose from who are unsullied if Chilcot spreads the blame far and wide - if he's hanging on just to deny the job to someone who did vote for Iraq, then you'd have to ask if that was principled, or just a little exercise in settling old scores...
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Why? He's being subjected to a coup that is very very clearly against the wishes of the majority of members. That majority voted for him in part at least because he was not part of, and was indeed opposed to, the old new labour who among other things invaded Iraq. If he can at least ensure not going back to those fuckers, he's achieved something perhaps.
 
sheothebudworths said:
I'm still seeing stuff like this...



Given that they really don't give a fuck what the members think - and that they're now desperate - is there any reason to think that they'll give up on pursuing this as far as they can (knowing that he'd be very lucky to get 50 noms)? :hmm:
Or is it just bollocks?
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They will follow it as far as money allows. It's all or nothing.
 
I'm a bit late to the party today, sorry. I can't believe Cameron said what he did in the commons today, it was just so wrong. Am also surprised jc has not yet stood down. This seems to be dominating the news more than Brexit.
 
Of the anti Corbyn people on my FB feed I can think of one who might possibly sign up to vote. The others are largely apolitical chattering classes types. Every Labour member has come out pro Corbyn and three or four people have talked about signing up to vote for him. Anecdotally I don't think there's enough non members who care enough to join up to vote against him. We shall see.
 
Artaxerxes said:
It was given as a reason to vote Leave in some of the Lexit threads. Vote leave and watch capitalism come crashing down
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It mostly wasn't quite put like that. What I was reading anyway. It was mainly hand-wavy posts using terms like "disruption to capital" and "opening up cracks in the neoliberal consensus". But there never seemed any solid explanation of what that actually meant. Any outline of a feasible process that would give me confidence that it would have a chance of being more likely than all the potential negative outcomes.
 
Plumdaff said:
Of the anti Corbyn people on my FB feed I can think of one who might possibly sign up to vote. The others are largely apolitical chattering classes types. Every Labour member has come out pro Corbyn and three or four people have talked about signing up to vote for him. Anecdotally I don't think there's enough non members who care enough to join up to vote against him. We shall see.
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Aye, a lot of the noise I've seen has come from people who won't join and who, I suspect, wouldn't/haven't voted Labour anyway. Just a talking point for 'sensible' discussion.
 
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