Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Mr Moose]

Half the problem there is selecting "Corbynite" candidates, who as you and Bush state go on to get shot down and who come from a small talent pool anyway.

They should really be looking to get in people who have considerable experience / achievements outside of politics, which would present much more of a danger to the current PLP (and by extension, to a Tory Party that is increasingly dominated by the same sort of political obsessive), be less of a threat to the current leadership (at least in terms of not making every selection contest a war that they lose), have a better chance of winning by-elections and gradually improve the quality of debate in the Commons (and further down the line the quality of minister).

Tricky. I'm not sure that Shami Chakrabarti's performance in her role suggests this would be a rip-roaring success for MP candidates. Success and achievement is also pretty likely to = establishment.

 

[killer b]

Half the problem there is selecting "Corbynite" candidates, who as you and Bush state go on to get shot down and who come from a small talent pool anyway.

They should really be looking to get in people who have considerable experience / achievements outside of politics, which would present much more of a danger to the current PLP (and by extension, to a Tory Party that is increasingly dominated by the same sort of political obsessive), be less of a threat to the current leadership (at least in terms of not making every selection contest a war that they lose), have a better chance of winning by-elections and gradually improve the quality of debate in the Commons (and further down the line the quality of minister).

Parachute in candidates with little connection to the local area and party activists you mean? Don't think that's really on the cards right now.

 

[agricola]

Parachute in candidates with little connection to the local area and party activists you mean? Don't think that's really on the cards right now.

I meant directing local parties to look at, and ideally select, people based on their achievements outside politics.

 

[treelover]

she doesn't appear to have been damaged by the problems within the NHS - which have been very serious around here with the minor injuries units closed to get staff into the A&E, and lots of bad news from the A&E which features regularly in the local media - the national polling suggests that Labour simply isn't trusted to do any better, and from the doorstep i'd agree with the polling.

my personal suspicion is that the friction of events will wear down the tory lead, and that fewer voters will say they like her, but i don't see Corbyns ratings improving much even if Labour starts grazing the 30/33% mark. my view that that almost regardless of what happens between now and 2020 and who peple say they will vote for, voters will walk into the polling booth and decide on than Corbyn or May - and i know who they'll choose...

Simon Stevens(NHS Boss, former US healthcare exec) is going to make major announcements/changes, on Friday, the STP plans will mean lots of A/E closures, hospital wards, etc.

 

[redsquirrel]

Tricky. I'm not sure that Shami Chakrabarti's performance in her role suggests this would be a rip-roaring success for MP candidates. Success and achievement is also pretty likely to = establishment.

Bearing the above article in mind are you still sticking by your ridiculous claim that if/when Corbyn goes the party can move to the left?

 

[treelover]

Job Opportunities

Job going at Momentum

National Co-ordinator

 

[killer b]

I meant directing local parties to look at, and ideally select, people based on their achievements outside politics.

Like having founded a hostel for homeless veterans, or being a doctor or something? Half of the Gorton shortlist were social workers with years at the coalface... There's plenty of people with real world achievements ending up on the shortlists (which are drawn up by the NEC rather than the local party anyway) - but unsurprisingly, the nomination will go to whoever organises best. That tends to favour activists, trade unionists and councillors with networks and support in the local party & unions rather than tenuously connected 'achievers'.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Kier Starmer now looking like the great hope of the labour rightwing. The likes of Toynbee are having fevered dreams of him leading an anti-brexit, urban-liberal-friendly party.

 

[killer b]

Starmer isn't on the right of the party. the right will probably get behind him when it comes to it, but only because they don't have anyone who could get over 20%.

 

[Mr Moose]

Bearing the above article in mind are you still sticking by your ridiculous claim that if/when Corbyn goes the party can move to the left?

What I meant was that he was preventing the left gaining ground by making it look utterly unattractive to everyone but keyboard warriors like yourself.

Imagine what a capable left wing leader could achieve with that level of membership support? But, sorry, I forgot. Everything is shit, nothing can improve and the Labour Party is full of ungovernable muppets.

 

[redsquirrel]

So now you're no longer claiming that Corbyn's resignation will result in a move to the left, i.e. you were talking cobblers from start to finish.

 

[inva]

Imagine what a capable left wing leader could achieve with that level of membership support?

a greater sense of disappointment?

 

[Mr Moose]

So now you're no longer claiming that Corbyn's resignation will result in a move to the left, i.e. you were talking cobblers from start to finish.

Quote me where I wrote that. IIRC I wrote he was holding its advancement up, not a move further to the left. Nor was that a prediction of what would happen, because that would depend on who took over.

Do you think Jeremy is really delivering a move to the left or just offering the hope of one?

 

[brogdale]

"Who will speak for liberal Britain?"

 

[DotCommunist]

cleeg, bragg and phil collins eh? a collectors edition that

 

[J Ed]

cleeg, bragg and phil collins eh? a collectors edition that

Thought the Bragg brand was pro Corbyn

 

[killer b]

Thought the Bragg brand was pro Corbyn

Reckon it's possible to be pro-Corbyn and still recognise the Labour party has collapsed as an effective opposition. You'd have to be a proper cultist to think otherwise.

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[Supine]

Doh. Own goal alert

PMQ and no question about Brexit on A50 day. Talk about missing a trick.

 

[Pickman's model]

Doh. Own goal alert

PMQ and no question about Brexit on A50 day. Talk about missing a trick.

there'll be lots of questions in the years ahead. and very few answers.

 

[rutabowa]

I reckon people were already aware of it happening tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

I reckon people were already aware of it happening tbh.

yeh mostly

 

[rutabowa]

I am heartily bored of it, I'd rather he talk about literally anything else. His garden, the NHS, whatever.

 

[DotCommunist]

don't think I've sat through a whole PMQs since the coalition years. Farcical shit

 

[Wilf]

God, look at the fucking state of him.

 

[DotCommunist]

he always looks like that, like he's just cum into his gideons

 

[brogdale]

he always looks like that, like he's just cum into his gideons

 

[19force8]

What I meant was that he was preventing the left gaining ground by making it look utterly unattractive to everyone but keyboard warriors like yourself.

Imagine what a capable left wing leader could achieve with that level of membership support? But, sorry, I forgot. Everything is shit, nothing can improve and the Labour Party is full of ungovernable muppets.

Don't know if this link has already been posted on this thread, but Michael Rosen is fairly cogent on why a "capable left wing leader" would be no different to Corbyn:

Michael Rosen: George Clooney wrong man to lead the Labour Party

 

[Mr Moose]

Don't know if this link has already been posted on this thread, but Michael Rosen is fairly cogent on why a "capable left wing leader" would be no different to Corbyn:

Michael Rosen: George Clooney wrong man to lead the Labour Party

George too busy with twins on the way.

Much of what he says is true, but the world was against Trump and he won.

 

[Mr Moose]

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Farron always brings to mind 'Adrian Mole' to me.