Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[teqniq]

A JC supporter writes in the Indy, and identifies some of the problems that have been talked about here.

Labour needs to realise this Copeland loss isn't down to Corbyn

 

[teqniq]

Far too soon to right off UKIP. They were never going to be anywhere in Copeland, and they fucked Stoke by having a bumbling fuckwit who is incapable of distinguishing between truth and lies.

If labour do respond by trying to pay more attention to their remain supporters, then a more coherent kipper campaign with a semi-sane candidate could run them close.

Leigh will be interesting if Burnham wins the manc mayoral (Paul Mason for MP!)

This is why I said 'might' I feel though that one of their main problems is that the Tories have stolen some of their toys.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Far too soon to right off UKIP. They were never going to be anywhere in Copeland, and they fucked Stoke by having a bumbling fuckwit who is incapable of distinguishing between truth and lies.

If labour do respond by trying to pay more attention to their remain supporters, then a more coherent kipper campaign with a semi-sane candidate could run them close.

Leigh will be interesting if Burnham wins the manc mayoral (Paul Mason for MP!)

No just candidate but also leader.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[belboid]

I think I might have meant to have posted that on the Stoke thread. Hey ho, still applies

Corbo speaking now, he aint quitting - we need unity and socialism

 

[killer b]

Far too soon to right off UKIP. They were never going to be anywhere in Copeland, and they fucked Stoke by having a bumbling fuckwit who is incapable of distinguishing between truth and lies.

If labour do respond by trying to pay more attention to their remain supporters, then a more coherent kipper campaign with a semi-sane candidate could run them close.

Leigh will be interesting if Burnham wins the manc mayoral (Paul Mason for MP!)

I haven't written them off totally, just for now.

 

[Chz]

A JC supporter writes in the Indy, and identifies some of the problems that have been talked about here.

Labour needs to realise this Copeland loss isn't down to Corbyn

It's kind of sweet that they're growing up and becoming real politicians. Learning from the Tories that your own mistakes are always someone else's fault.

 

[brogdale]

Faster than this?

I think so, yes.

 

[Sasaferrato]

A JC supporter writes in the Indy, and identifies some of the problems that have been talked about here.

Labour needs to realise this Copeland loss isn't down to Corbyn

Fucked if I know what he's actually saying in that article, other than blame Blair not Corbyn. He advocates change, but does not indicate what and how.

 

[treelover]

Is Liam saying Labour need to be more vocal in endorsing open borders, etc

 

[killer b]

Fucked if I know what he's actually saying in that article, other than blame Blair not Corbyn. He advocates change, but does not indicate what and how.

Paul Mason is more explicit

Labour won Stoke. Jamie Reed lost Copeland – Mosquito Ridge

 

[Sasaferrato]

My strategy for a Labour win.

Nationalise, by issuing 1000 year bonds at 0.5%

Railways
Buses
Water
Gas & Electricity
Telephone & net (including mobiles)

Introduce road tolls for motorways at 1p a mile, and use the money to subsidise public transport.
Introduce a 1p a litre tax on petrol (3p on diesel) the money hypothecated for road repairs.
Introduce a national housing corporation, which takes over all public sector housing, and has a legal obligation to build 200,000 new homes each year.

 

[Pickman's model]

Like what? The problem isn’t going to go away by not mentioning it. The Labour Party is pointless if it doesn’t have a chance of forming a government and rebuilding the party is on hold until Corbyn goes.

if a party's worth is to be measured by the probability of it forming a government then the lib dems, ukip, greens, uup, dup, sf, sdlp, plaid cymru, snp etc etc etc ought to cease fighting elections to parliament.

 

[Pickman's model]

My strategy for a Labour win.

Nationalise, by issuing 1000 year bonds at 0.5%

Railways
Buses
Water
Gas & Electricity
Telephone & net (including mobiles)

Introduce road tolls for motorways at 1p a mile, and use the money to subsidise public transport.
Introduce a 1p a litre tax on petrol (3p on diesel) the money hypothecated for road repairs.
Introduce a national housing corporation, which takes over all public sector housing, and has a legal obligation to build 200,000 new homes each year.

introduce a pledge to neckshoot all former tory cabinet ministers and hang former tory mps from gallows erected on horseguards - and then you'd see an upswing in support for the labour party

 

[treelover]

What is going to be interesting is what effect, if any, there is on the 100's of LP/Momentum activists who went to Stoke and what they heard on the doorstep about Corbyn, his policies, etc.

 

[belboid]

What is going to be interesting is what effect, if any, there is on the 100's of LP/Momentum activists who went to Stoke and what they heard on the doorstep about Corbyn, his policies, etc.

Almost nothing about corbyn himself. Lack of clarity about what labour actually stand for tho

 

[gosub]

The Black Knight fights on.

 

[treelover]

Almost nothing about corbyn himself. Lack of clarity about what labour actually stand for tho

Jeremy Corbyn, you broke it – now you must own it | Rafael Behr

Jeremy Corbyn, you broke it – now you must own it
Rafael Behr

Interesting, clearly the Guardian is saying the opposite and going on full attack mode.

 

[belboid]

He never went there tho. Read the John Harris piece (which isn't Corbyn apologism, should anyone think it might be), as he did at least spend time on both constituencies.

 

[Wilf]

The Black Knight fights on.

Irony of the black knight fighting on, whilst he has a massive army twiddling their thumbs. Labour's shittest period ever is accompanied by the party having just about the highest memberships in Europe, iirc. The activists are not particularly active, but it really illustrates the abandonment thesis. Getting more people into a party doesn't lead to any kind of reconnection with communities. Blair's fault, rather than Corbyn's certainly, but there's no way back from this.

 

[brogdale]

Lot's of tory/media crowing about having to go back to 1982 to find comparable Govt. gain in a by...but when was the last time a party defended a seat with a majority of it's PP have voted to remove the leader?

 

[belboid]

Lot's of tory/media crowing about having to go back to 1982 to find comparable Govt. gain in a by...but when was the last time a party defended a seat with a majority of it's PP have voted to remove the leader?

Not an entirely sound comparison really, as it was grossly unusual in being a Labour to SDP defection that simply split their vote down the middle. In terms of a straight swing between two parties, you have to go back to 1961, I believe.

And who won the next election after that?

 

[bemused]

Lot's of tory/media crowing about having to go back to 1982 to find comparable Govt. gain in a by...but when was the last time a party defended a seat with a majority of it's PP have voted to remove the leader?

Watching Ian Lavery car crash his interview on the Daily Politics shows the problem they have. Labour can't pretend that Corbyn isn't an issue is just makes them look ridiculous.

 

[brogdale]

Watching Ian Lavery car crash his interview on the Daily Politics shows the problem they have. Labour can't pretend that Corbyn isn't an issue is just makes them look ridiculous.

"...makes them look..."?

 

[Mr Moose]

Shami Chakrabarti has just suggested on the Jeremy Vine show that Storm Doris was a factor as Labour voters are less likely to have cars.

I don't think she was suggesting a big factor, but it'll score high on the gaffometer.

 

[bemused]

Shami Chakrabarti has just suggested on the Jeremy Vine show that Storm Doris was a factor as Labour voters are less likely to have cars.

I don't think she was suggesting a big factor, but it'll score high on the gaffometer.

I used to like Shami - but she seems to have become a pound store Peter Mandelson.

 

[J Ed]

Shami Chakrabarti has just suggested on the Jeremy Vine show that Storm Doris was a factor as Labour voters are less likely to have cars.

I don't think she was suggesting a big factor, but it'll score high on the gaffometer.

Why is that a gaffe?

 

[Raheem]

Why is that a gaffe?

Because everyone has a car, don't they? I mean, sure, some people can only afford to buy them second hand, but they still mostly get you from A to B.

 

[mikey mikey]

It's a gaffe because she said it and she doesn't have a knife in Corbyn's back.

 

[Mr Moose]

Posh people also have horses they can use though and they are good in all weather and terrain for that long trudge to the polling station.

 

[J Ed]

Because everyone has a car, don't they?

no