Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Would you say you support them 100%? I've not got a problem with not supporting JC, I do have a problem with wilfully empty hyperbolic phrases
Well yeh of course I support them 100%. I don't support any other team. I have no other "horse in the race". That's what I mean by "100%".
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Ok
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Like what? The problem isn’t going to go away by not mentioning it. The Labour Party is pointless if it doesn’t have a chance of forming a government and rebuilding the party is on hold until Corbyn goes.
ska invita
back on the other side
If the UKIP vote does swing to the Tories, and UKIP incompetence + May's positioning suggests that is the trend, Labour are extra fucked.
He has to hang on till after next conference at the very least - the party cant go through another challenge so soon after the last round of madness. (although i guess anything is possible)CORBYN OUT. CORBYN OUT.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
What, it can form the next Govt or it does still have a point even if it can't or the problem may go away if not mentioned or rebuilding is not on hold? So much to choose from.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Ok, many thanks.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh, mind how you go
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Losing one by-election is not a catastrophe - sitting at 25%, and being 15+% behind the government, and your leader having a 16% approval rating while the PM has a 45+% approval rating, and those numbers being solid for the best part of a year however probably does count as being well within the 'something to panic about' box...
bemused
Well-Known Member
Listening to Radio 4 interviewing life long Labour voters who voted against Corbyn should worry some people. It seems a lot of people weren't voting for the Tory party they were voting against the Labour leader.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Voting for their jobs in Cumbria.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Agreed. But I don't see a change of leader making a blind bit of difference to this.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Disagree; if the PLP had their way they'd be able to select a leader who could easily accelerate their electoral decline.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
On that question - is there still any talk of purging the Blairites? Or has everything gone quiet on that front?
Supine
Newt Member
They are saving the ultimate act of hari kari for next time the conservatives have internal problems
there remains no real mechanism for purging them, especially with most of the new members remaining inactive in the local parties.
That said, here in Preston the left slate swept the board at the recent CLP elections - I dunno if that would translate into a similar sweep in the westminster nomination though, as the actual numbers voting in the CLP elections were pretty small.
That said, here in Preston the left slate swept the board at the recent CLP elections - I dunno if that would translate into a similar sweep in the westminster nomination though, as the actual numbers voting in the CLP elections were pretty small.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
For anyone seeking a silver lining, based on his soothsaying record, then a GAME OVER tweet by Dan Hodges is probably it:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
PASOKification required a Syriza.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Absolutely. Labour's 1997 victory was inevitable, particularly after the defeat snatched from the jaws of victory in 1992. As political economy it was just more neo-liberalism, but a reset, in supposedly optimistic times. Newness playing out as inclusion - not equality - and an electoral cross class alliance in which the working class has nowhere else to go. Having said all that, Blair was a perfect embodiment of the project. But yes, that's not where we are now.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Faster than this?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
That's the heart of it. Corbynites haven't changed the Labour Party, so it just remains a party saying 'vote for us, we believe in how things used to be 40 years ago'. Why the fucking fuck would anybody believe them after decades of, that word again, abandonment. But nor have they made even a tiny step towards even thinking about becoming a social movement or, at an even more basic level, engaging with people's lives.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Far too soon to right off UKIP. They were never going to be anywhere in Copeland, and they fucked Stoke by having a bumbling fuckwit who is incapable of distinguishing between truth and lies.
If labour do respond by trying to pay more attention to their remain supporters, then a more coherent kipper campaign with a semi-sane candidate could run them close.
Leigh will be interesting if Burnham wins the manc mayoral (Paul Mason for MP!)
If labour do respond by trying to pay more attention to their remain supporters, then a more coherent kipper campaign with a semi-sane candidate could run them close.
Leigh will be interesting if Burnham wins the manc mayoral (Paul Mason for MP!)
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