mikey mikey
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You haven't been paying attention.
Corbyn's Labour critics organise locally to prevent leftist successor
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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You haven't been paying attention.
Corbyn's Labour critics organise locally to prevent leftist successor
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
No you are not. It's politics - the left won't get all its own way and certainly Jeremy won't. The left needs to pick the best of what is possible right now. It's not an endgame.
Do you really believe overall that the Blairites are in ascendancy? Clearly they are not and they can be largely outmanouevered. That is the task. Jeremy can't do it, he's got no game.
They can't be outmanouevered if the whole thing fails. More likely that strengthens their hand.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Having spent so many years in a marginalised, maligned and self preservation focused group within Labour, a group who seem to prize an individual morality and attachment to principle above herd like acceptance of the leaderships demands, he is ill placed to create a new form for that herd.
TBF I cannot see the quality needed in the current PLP capable of healing the wounds and getting the broad party support needed to battle the tories - which really is tragic as it implies years of chaotic ineffective opposition while our country is being dismantled around us
He is pretty useless but currently there is no other choice
TBF I cannot see the quality needed in the current PLP capable of healing the wounds and getting the broad party support needed to battle the tories - which really is tragic as it implies years of chaotic ineffective opposition while our country is being dismantled around us
He is pretty useless but currently there is no other choice
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
A week is a long time in Politics. I think that may have been said before.
It's way too defeatist, particularly in party politics where so much is about appearance. The Lib Dems, a busted flush if ever there was one, can suddenly win by-elections. The Labour Party is massively stronger.
Moreover there is a large anti-Tory vote to be mined. It is crying out for an idea or a focal point. A new package for Labour could send it soaring. But it would not be complete. The next struggle would await.
mikey mikey
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No, I think it's worse than that. The word "Blairite" has been scrubbed MiniTruth style from the lexicon.
Croydon Labour meeting bans the use of the word ‘Blairite’
The New Reality is that Blairism is non-existent. At best it's a slur. A slur on people who support the politics espoused by Tony Blair and wish to take British politics further towards the Right by means of shifting the centre.
The New Reality is that this shift just happened. Probably the will of the Gods or some seismic whanot. It just is. And it is a New Challenge to meet (i.e. target) and will bring Difficult Choices (i.e. Austerity, welfare cuts, further erosion of employee rights)
To be on the "right" of the Labour Party is now to be "tougher on benefits than the Tories" (Liz Kendall) and to be "Soft Left" is to oppose Zero Hours contracts only to replace them with a minimum of "One Hour Contracts" (Owen Smith).
Blairism isn't on the ascendancy: it's the "New Moderate". It's what MPs mean when they say "the centre left". Making anything that could be considered socialist in an objective sense, beyond the Pale. And that centre, as it has done in the US, will drift further and further rightwards thanks to the people that you are no longer allowed to call Blairites.
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I have to ask; what is/are "Maquis"?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
gosub
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People in the tent, pissing in.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
I was listening to Alizée's 2000 album "Gourmanidises" earlier today. It has a track "Mon maquis", hence my question.
On balance I'll go with Dan Hodge's version (Alizée's dad being Corsican you see)
As you were Urbs
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the funniest bit is they took the name from Star Trek Deep Space Nine's fictitious terrorist outfit (or freedom fighters ymmv) rather than the historical french resistance maquis
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
That bit realky is great.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
spose we are lucky they didn't take it from Harry Potter or something like that
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Seriously?? How do we/you know this? (not doubting you but fascinated)
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
could be arch humour I suppose...
gosub
~#
Umm Dassault's emblem is still the motif Marcel used for his resistance calling card
Other cells had their own marque's. There was no core brand identity, they had better things to do
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Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
The Maquis was the French Resistance during the war, it's not a Star Trek reference!
Raheem
Well-Known Member
is their twitter profile icon. It's a symbol used by the maquis in ST. That's what seems to have given rise to this issue.
It's actually slightly less distasteful.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
It is also the name of a group in star trek. The story is they took the name from star trek not the French resistance.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
Yeah I know, I think the story is wrong ST took that symbol from a real French resistance cell
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Does anyone care anymore?
J Ed
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Hard to imagine that anyone who has at some point cared has not succumbed finally to Corbyn-fatigue
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
It would be too late for the next election unless there is a modern day version of Blair (election winning ability wise) waiting in the wings and there isn't.
Blair's 'election winning ability' was a one-off, and had little to do with his supposed charisma. The political currents that were in play in his time, and which saw him into Downing Street are no longer in play - no shiny centrist could step forward and do what he did today.
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