Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Sasaferrato]

Who is going to be buying these hundreds of billions pounds worth of 1,000 year gilts?

Buy? Buy?

You misunderstand, the bonds will be issued as the nation takes ownership.

'Buy' indicates a choice, which will not be there.

 

[DotCommunist]

Because everyone has a car, don't they? I mean, sure, some people can only afford to buy them second hand, but they still mostly get you from A to B.

o rly? you try running even a banger on min wage or the dole

 

[Raheem]

o rly? you try running even a banger on min wage or the dole

Please read back up the thread. My comment was not supposed to be taken seriously. My point was that the suggestion "Labour voters are less likely to drive" is not some sort of patronising gaffe, because the part you bolded is obviously not true. You're at least the third person not to get it, so maybe I could have been clearer.

 

[gosub]

Shami Chakrabarti has just suggested on the Jeremy Vine show that Storm Doris was a factor as Labour voters are less likely to have cars.

I don't think she was suggesting a big factor, but it'll score high on the gaffometer.

The weather was bad yesterday, bad enough for at least one fatality. But yesterday in terms of by-elections was a biggy -the results having far more impact on the dances of our politicians than usual, plus in Stoke two different approaches in trying to reengage with the disenfranchised, dispossessed in a no holes barred, heavily resourced battle to the death - the result 39% turnout. Thats a lot people who think it ain't worth getting wet to vote for any of these fuckers. its going to take a different approach to re motivate these people.

And in the meantime if somehow Mrs May got stuck with an election, she'd double her majority.

 

[not-bono-ever]

The Copeland test: Labour’s core vote

I should post a comment but y' know....its friday

 

[not-bono-ever]

Who is going to be buying these hundreds of billions pounds worth of 1,000 year gilts?

Everyone had the hots for undated war bonds earlier this century

 

[Mr Moose]

It's absolutely bog standard psephology, and has been for at least forty years, that bad weather affects labour supporters more than tories. Why anyone would doubt/deny that is mysterious...unless they have an agenda

Likely that car ownership has changed in that 40 years even in Copeland.

What's more likely to put a voter off though, the weather or being patronised by Shami?

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone had the hots for undated war bonds earlier this century

Yeh? Do tell when.

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone had the hots for undated war bonds earlier this century

Are you sure you're not thinking of er the last century?

 

[belboid]

Likely that car ownership has changed in that 40 years even in Copeland.

What's more likely to put a voter off though, the weather or being patronised by Shami?

Something being true for forty years means it had been true for forty years, not that it was only true forty years ago. As you have seen from the graph I posted, car ownership has gone up significantly over that time, but there is still a very substantial minority - of mostly poorer, labour leaning, voters without one.

So Shami wasn't being patronising she was pointing to a widely accepted truth. And even is she was being patronising, the weather absolutely undoubtedly played a bigger role as her comments were made after all the votes had been counted.

 

[Mr Moose]

Something being true for forty years means it had been true for forty years, not that it was only true forty years ago. As you have seen from the graph I posted, car ownership has gone up significantly over that time, but there is still a very substantial minority - of mostly poorer, labour leaning, voters without one.

So Shami wasn't being patronising she was pointing to a widely accepted truth. And even is she was being patronising, the weather absolutely undoubtedly played a bigger role as her comments were made after all the votes had been counted.

If car ownership has changed but the voters keep not coming out then something else, like the decline of Labour as a party that represents wc interests is a bit more likely.

Of course Shami's comments can't retrospectively affect this result. But a drip drip of clangers does so cumulatively.

 

[belboid]

If car ownership has changed but the voters keep not coming out then something else, like the decline of Labour as a party that represents wc interests is a bit more likely.

Of course Shami's comments can't retrospectively affect this result. But a drip drip of clangers does so cumulatively.

Dear god, have you just taken a blow to the head?

The effect of poorer people having less access to cars may have decreased, but it hasnt disappeared. Therefore, there is still an effect, even if it isn't as big as it was forty years ago. the only people denying that entirely are imbeciles

 

[not-bono-ever]

Are you sure you're not thinking of er the last century?

the debt was issued from 1920-50 and killed off a couple of years ago. It was however more attractive when UKG started to issue modern stuff at lower rates

you fucking pedant

 

[Mr Moose]

Dear god, have you just taken a blow to the head?

The effect of poorer people having less access to cars may have decreased, but it hasnt disappeared. Therefore, there is still an effect, even if it isn't as big as it was forty years ago. the only people denying that entirely are imbeciles

You have a graph. That's nice. Go tell people who didn't vote it was because of their lack of access to cars and I'm sure most would tell you not to be so patronising.

 

[brogdale]

You have a graph. That's nice. Go tell people who didn't vote it was because of their lack of access to cars and I'm sure most would tell you not to be so patronising.

Nobody's got to go and tell anybody anything; we were attempting a little light evaluation of Chakrabati's suggested analysis. That's all.

 

[The39thStep]

The weather and transport issue may well have had an effect but in my mind I have a real doubt that Labour with or without Corbyn are capable of riding the storm per se.

 

[J Ed]

Until today, I had forgotten how angry Corbyn makes a certain brand of middle-class liberal so if nothing else at least his staying leader is good for that.

 

[treelover]

May is up in Copeland already.

 

[kebabking]

Until today, I had forgotten how angry Corbyn makes a certain brand of middle-class liberal so if nothing else at least his staying leader is good for that.

In which they - given their propensity to vote - will vote Tory in 2020, and I'm sure we can all agree that it will be the middle class liberal demographic who suffer most under a 3rd term Tory government.

I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh as May slaps a tax on Quinoa imports and the wearing of Berkenstocks, and cuts funding to farmers markets.

 

[Pickman's model]

May is up in Copeland already.

And what's your feeling on that?

 

[kebabking]

And what's your feeling on that?

I think her Protection Team would intervene long before it got to that stage.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think her Protection Team would intervene long before it got to that stage.

God, we'd never hear the fucking end of it

 

[Pickman's model]

I think her Protection Team would intervene long before it got to that stage.

...if he survived

 

[belboid]

You have a graph. That's nice. Go tell people who didn't vote it was because of their lack of access to cars and I'm sure most would tell you not to be so patronising.

are you arguing with the facts? Or just ignoring them in order to continue to wallow in your own ignorance?

 

[Old Spark]

For Seamus and Comrade Murray Corbyn has played a blinder-his hangdog slothful approach helped Leave to win -a great step forward for Mother Russia.

The question now is can they extract any more advantage for Putin.Does JC staying and Labour getting a tanking in 2020 help or hinder Putins ambitions or will it kill the socialism in one country project.

Will the left be able to move forward or will they sent to the kulags by the social democrats.

I think he would do well in the debates of 2020 tho I reckon May will opt out if she is miles ahead.Empty chair I say.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

What's a kulag? Some sort of prison built inside a wealthy peasant?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Pickman's model]

What's a kulag? Some sort of prison built inside a wealthy peasant?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

It's a small bar which serves kümmel

 

[Raheem]

What's a kulag? Some sort of prison built inside a wealthy peasant?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Why would it be that? I don't follow.

I was assuming it was a portmanteau for some sort of holiday accommodation, like glamping.

 

[Pickman's model]

Please read back up the thread. My comment was not supposed to be taken seriously. My point was that the suggestion "Labour voters are less likely to drive" is not some sort of patronising gaffe, because the part you bolded is obviously not true. You're at least the third person not to get it, so maybe I could have been clearer.

I don't think anyone takes your posts wholly seriously

 

[Old Spark]

Sorry I suffer from dyslexia Ctnus