Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[DrRingDing]

You never did mention her.
You just said, yesterday,


Nothing specifically to do with the most recent story, so yeah, you were probably talking about Livingstone or something . I totally retract my statement.

Please show me where I have mentioned where this revolves around Walker? If not please retract you statement.

 

[DrRingDing]

That definitely sounds like a sound course for an Israeli ambassador.

One thing we know about Regev is that he doesn't do subtle.

 

[bimble]

That definitely sounds like a sound course for an Israeli ambassador.

Yes, but also he is excremental. On the plus side he is an ambassador from another country and I should not be made to feel ashamed and culpable for whatever shit he comes out with.

 

[agricola]

Regev's job would be to nudge the controversies in the direction that benefits Israel.

Those controversies do not require nudging, though. The PLP maquis have an elite nudging section.

That said, if that is what Regev is meant to do then I can only hope he is on some kind of performance related pay. Can you imagine the claim he could put in for a year's worth of wall-to-wall anti-Corbyn pieces in nearly every media outlet?

 

[James McFadden]

That definitely sounds like a sound course for an Israeli ambassador.

Incidentally, is that a 'curious' thing to say?

 

[bimble]

Please show me where I have mentioned where this revolves around Walker? If not please retract you statement.

As I said above, you refrained from ever mentioning Walker, or commenting on any of her statements, you just suggested that in some undefined way Mark Regev had something underhand and unseen to do with the latest accusations of antisemitism against labour.
Its almost as if what Walker said and why people get upset about it doesn't matter, its all just a zionist conspiracy anyhow.

 

[DrRingDing]

Yes, but also he is excremental. On the plus side he is an ambassador from another country and I should not be made to feel ashamed and culpable for whatever shit he comes out with.

5 Points to House Bimble for the use of 'excremental'. Minus 10 points for conflating the shit you're getting for defending Israel rather than being Jewish.

 

[James McFadden]

Yes, but also he is excremental. On the plus side he is an ambassador from another country and I should not be made to feel ashamed and culpable for whatever shit he comes out with.

Well indeed, but his job is to enact the wishes of the Israeli government, not to behave in a way which doesn't offend your sensibilities. Incidentally, I don't disagree. He's a fuck-faced gibbon, but even fuck-faced gibbons have jobs to do.

 

[DrRingDing]

As I said above, you refrained from ever mentioning Walker, or commenting on any of her statements, you just suggested that in some undefined way Mark Regev had something underhand and unseen to do with the latest accusations of antisemitism against labour.

I didn't 'refrain' she wasn't in my mind at all. We've gone over the rest.

 

[bimble]

I didn't 'refrain' she wasn't in my mind at all. We've gone over the rest.

No we have not gone over anything. You've just crumpled into incoherence and platitutes when asked what zionism and anti-zionism mean.

This is sad because they ought to be very meaningful words to you somehow, in terms of defining your own self.
You're just a simpleton who has defined himself as an anti-zionist but has no clue what that even means.

 

[DrRingDing]

No we have not gone over anything, you've just crumpled into incoherence and platitutes when asked what zionism and anti-zionism mean. This is sad because they are obviously very meaningful words o you somehow, in terms of defining your own self.
You're just a simpleton who has defined himself as an anti-zionist but has no clue what that even means.

I do not have to define anything for you. Get it?

You think any bigotry aimed at you in your personal life somehow invalidates the Palestinian struggle.

Bimble, please go back to cultural appropriation. You're much better at it than this.

 

[bimble]

I do not have to define anything for you. Get it?.

Oh, ok. You're a fervent anti-zionist, who called me a zionist apoligist but it is not ok to ask you to define your terms.
right.
Your best attempt when questioned today was that zionism = Nationalism.
And that nationalism is bad.
I totally agree with that definition by the way.

You think any bigotry aimed at you in your personal life somehow invalidates the Palestinian struggle.

What the fuck are you talking about ?

Bimble, please go back to cultural appropriation. You're much better at it than this.

Fuck off. My dubious hairstyles are irrelevant to this thread.
You have to choose, either I'm a zionist stooge or I'm a pound shop Rachel Donezal :what's it gonna be.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh, ok. You're a fervent anti-zionist, who called me a zionist apoligist

Did he use those actual words?

If so, I have to agree with bimble, drding, you owe her a definition.

 

[treelover]

Probably. He was a Tory, after all.

he died a couple of years into her reign, he might have changed.

 

[DrRingDing]

Did he use those actual words?

If so, I have to agree with bimble, drding, you owe her a definition.

I owe bimbleclot fuck all.

 

[bimble]

Bimbleclot. I like it.
Ding has no clue, when questioned, about what he actually means by the words he defines himself by. It is sad to witness.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Touché young Datagnon, but his last electoral triumph got him his own job back. Electoral success requires progression.

With an increased vote share...progression.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[chilango]

Did he use those actual words?

If so, I have to agree with bimble, drding, you owe her a definition.

I owe bimbleclot fuck all.

DrRingDing yesterday

 

[Treacle Toes]

Agree. Chakrabati's pretty sharp. No problem with her in normal circumstances. Abbott is and has long been a clown.
Just seems to be another 'rub their noses in diversity' moment...kinda big "fuck you' to the judge before he 'goes down'.

So JC has given Abbot and Chakrabarti those jobs for no other reason than to rub other people's noses in it?

What you are suggesting would be the worst kind of tokenism on the part of JC. That he doesn't view these women as having anything to offer other than being women and being Black and Asian?

It's a big claim on your part and a fucking nasty one to boot.

 

[Idris2002]

Diane Abbott gets some things right:

 

[free spirit]

Seeing as we're still on the definition of zionism...

I'd have thought that was quite straightforward. It is someone who believes that there needs to be a Jewish state - in the words of the 1917 Balfour declaration, 'a national home for the Jewish people'.

Seems quite a precise, well-defined term to me.

In today's context it's common usage is more related to those who believe in and promote ongoing expansionist policies for the Jewish state of Israel, which seek to expand it's borders by one ruse or another until they've swallowed up pretty much all of the Palestinian territory, and view the harsh oppression of the Palestinian people as a necessary party of ensuring the security of the State of Israel.

Referring back to a century old definition from before the State of Israel existed is one of the tactics I've seen used to discredit those who're opposed to those expansionist polices but have no issue with the actual existence of the state of Israel / support it's right to exist. 'Oh you're against Zionism are you, well you're as bad as Hamas then and want Israel to not exist' etc.

The OED has it as meaning

A movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.

 

[Pickman's model]

You have to choose, either I'm a zionist stooge or I'm a pound shop Rachel Donezal :what's it gonna be.

you could of course be both

 

[Pickman's model]

Bimbleclot. I like it.
Ding has no clue, when questioned, about what he actually means by the words he defines himself by. It is sad to witness.

he doesn't have a clew the rest of the time either

 

[bemused]

That he doesn't view these women as having anything to offer other than being women and being Black and Asian?

Chakrabarti makes sense as she's a lawyer and expert in civil liberties. She has a the shadow of her anti-semitism report hanging over her but I've seen her say she didn't do a deal and have no reason not to believe her.

However, Abbott as shadow Home Secretary would seem to be a rather odd choice - but good luck to her.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Chakrabarti makes sense as she's a lawyer and expert in civil liberties. She has a the shadow of her anti-semitism report hanging over her but I've seen her say she didn't do a deal and have no reason not to believe her.

However, Abbott as shadow Home Secretary would seem to be a rather odd choice - but good luck to her.

Something seeming odd isn't unusual though...Boris Johnson as foreign minister anyone?

'Odd' is a lot different to what James McFaddon suggested. He was specific about it being to rub other people's noses in 'diversity'.

Do you agree with him?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've seen her say she didn't do a deal and have no reason not to believe her

yeh. but if she did a deal and then she's asked 'did you do a deal' she is unlikely to fess up, isn't she?

 

[andysays]

Agree. Chakrabati's pretty sharp. No problem with her in normal circumstances. Abbott is and has long been a clown.
Just seems to be another 'rub their noses in diversity' moment...kinda big "fuck you' to the judge before he 'goes down'.

As others have already said, this suggestion is offensive bollocks.

There is, however, a genuine issue with the appointment of Chakrabati as Shadow AG - the fact that she's only been a member of the LP for 5 months, and rather than being an elected MP, she was effectively appointed as a Peer by Corbyn himself only last month.

Can Jezza really only fill his shadow cabinet by bringing in the recently ennobled?

 

[bemused]

Do you agree with him?

I think he put them there because they are allies.

 

[bemused]

yeh. but if she did a deal and then she's asked 'did you do a deal' she is unlikely to fess up, isn't she?

It's going to be pretty terminal for her it turns out there was a deal. It does underline how awful the House of Lords system is.

 

[Santino]

This thread used to be fun.