James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
You at least produced a poll from 30th Sept which failed to take into account a big Tory gain post conference you mendacious twat. Who do you think you are kidding Rodney?
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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bemused
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To be fair it is a little rich for a serial rebel to moan about disloyal PLP members. I guess the question is are the PLP or the leadership more in tune with where the voters are - that's what so interesting for me.
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Starry Wisdom
and yet you produce nothing to support your claim. you fucking plonker.
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Ok. I'll have a look for you shit-for-brains
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won't hold my breath
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*taps watch* James McFadden
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Well, there are three big post conference season polls out on Sunday for the broadsheets apparently. In the meantime-suppose I'm a bit iffy about the source but what the hell-http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/716585/Theresa-May-snap-election-early-2020-Conservative-Party-vote-Labour-Jeremy-Corbyn
#With Labour engulfed in its own political storm, a shrewd Mrs May - who does not yet have a mandate from the British public - could use a snap vote to her advantage.
Analysis by Professor John Curtice, president of the British Polling Council, shows her majority in the House of Commons would rocket from 12 to 62 on current polling.#
Anyway, I'm going out on a limb and call Sunday's results now. No fuckin way will Labour top 25%. If they do, I'll publically acknowledge your political savvy. You wanna call it? Go on gobshite, make a prediction.
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perhaps you could highlight where in the express article it mentions the % support for either tories or labour.
e2a: i saw that article earlier today but wouldn't have linked to it as it doesn't substantiate your claim about labour support in the region of 23%
James McFadden
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erm...taps watch...rolls fag...reads paper...walks the dog...picks nose..
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yeh. because it doesn't mention what % support labour or the tories, it just says there's 11% between the two. and that on frankly rather spurious grounds - where's the working? you fucking muppet.
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Perhaps you could call the Sunday poll result...y'know actually make a determinate statement and hold yourself to it?
eta: sorry forgot to add..'you fuckin air-brained goon'
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i could do. but why the fuck should i? why can't you produce something to substantiate your claim about labour on 23% now, like you said they were in 13214?
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
I think the 'why the fuck should I?' is easily answered. Because you're on here claiming a certain amount of political nous and, likewise, the opposite for me. I arrive at a perfectly reasonable solution which involves actually calling the political temperature in a quantifiable way and you duck out. Why's that? And let's recall, all you've done is cite a poll which was taken between the two conferences...which is self-evidently pointless.
Anyway, I am away now for an hour or two. Lick a window or two while I'm gone.
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
This is interesting, in the context of the media attacks on the expression of democracy within the Labour party that we've been discussing on this thread.
I stumbled across this earlier today, and it seems to parallel some of what I've been trying to articulate about the escalating feedback loops created by a campaign of unremitting, unprincipled media vilification of the Momentum tendency within Labour coupled with sensationalised promotion of manufactured offence to their responses.
Hate Spin
I stumbled across this earlier today, and it seems to parallel some of what I've been trying to articulate about the escalating feedback loops created by a campaign of unremitting, unprincipled media vilification of the Momentum tendency within Labour coupled with sensationalised promotion of manufactured offence to their responses.
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James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Well perhaps I'm too prone to cite 'arguments from authority'?
You've gone with a pointless YouGov exercise in masturbatory polling.
I went with Professor John Curtice, president of the British Polling Council.
See ya later...and on Sunday maybe? Go on: more or less than 25%? how much fuckin easier do you want it?
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yes. which doesn't provide any information about the proportion of people supporting the conservative party or the labour party. could be 39% labour, 50% tory. could be 1% labour 12% tory. who knows? but, i note, nothing yet to support your assertion labour polling c.23%.
who is conducting the poll published on sunday?
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
No subtexts, it's just a facepalm over the sheer stupidity of your comment, which ranks along with stuff like "if we let the gays get married people will be marrying dogs next." It could also apply to any number of your subsequent posts, apart from this one:
Too true James, too true.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
who is "my lot"?
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like the policeman's, not a happy one.
bemused
Well-Known Member
Isn't that Sherlock Holmes brother?
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
That would be you lot inside the bubble. I thought you must be a bubbler since you questioned whether anybody else cared about the shadow HS and AG on a thread where the shadow HS and AG were being actively discussed.
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Hmmm...seems I've gotta fess up. Can't find 23 but any number of sources for 26. So I'm ducking out till Sunday when I shall return in triumph.
That said 26 puts them on a par with Michael Foot's polling nadir...which pretty much Kevlar coats my original 'unpopular opposition' claim, no?
So, till Sunday my hair-splitting, anal-retentive, reptilian friend.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
First thing Tony Blair did when he got elected was to make his mate a life peer then instantly appoint him as Solicitor General.
And we really are talking mate here, the guy was an ex flatmate of his from 20 years earlier.
Chakrabati on the other hand afaik has no similar links to Corbyn, and is a very well respected figure in her own right, so I don't see the problem.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
what caused the poll ratings to drop so low?
It wasn't Corbyn who decided to very publicly attempt to rip the party apart and launch a 3 month long all out assault on the credibility of the leader of the party.
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
No but it was Corbyn who leads a party where this was allowed to happen. Effective leaders lead United parties.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
Allowed?
The PLP chose to abuse the privilege the Labour party rules grant it in terms of deciding when to call for a leadership election. The end result of that being a ~10% drop in the polls and the leader returned on a bigger mandate than previously. That's their fault, not Corbyn's.
I see a problem with a champion of democracy filling shadow cabinet positions with non-elected politicians.
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What like Thatcher with a famously divided tory party?
bemused
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The political elites are running scared.
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