Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
and Annuder Oik who was at least gracious enough to withdraw the collective responsibility taking after taking on board others arguments as to why that was a shit attitude
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
One easy telltale sign that you're talking to an antisemite is the use of the definite article 'the', as in 'the Jews'. I don't think it's difficult to tell where people are coming from in their arguments. It's actually very hard to hide your underlying attitudes - they leak out.
bimble
floofy
ok, just to be annoying then, what do you reckon of Jackie Walker's question (on her facebook) "what debt do we owe the jews"?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Can you give me some context? She could be using the term sarcastically, after all.
bimble
floofy
Are we really going to recycle this again? Wasn't my intention. This is all i've got.
It is of course possible that the invisible interlocutor said something about 'us' owing a debt to 'the Arabs', but i think that is unlikely.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So no chance of context then
bimble
floofy
Yes, that's been done plenty. It did sadden me that the Jews For Justice For Palestinians weekly newsletter felt the need to do this, trying hard to agree with her that jews were not the main victims of the nazi death camps: Feverish witch-hunt against Jackie Walker
(There is a small sentence in the middle of this rambling essay which says "However it may not be true that ‘proportionately [Jews were not] the main victim of the Nazis'", then it launches into the attempt to explain why she may have made this mistake.
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J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
These days people who post pictures on twitter of octopuses with stars of David rampaging over parliament say they are only being anti-Zionist, it's surreal. At that point, why bother? You obviously aren't that concerned about seeing that way, otherwise you wouldn't be posting up pictures of fucking octopuses
J Ed
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I have to wonder about stuff like this, who are these people and why are they motivated to defend something so obviously and manifestly untrue and offensive?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Deleted a high ranking SP member when they shared a meme which originated as a white supremacist thing which said 'an antisemite used to mean someone who doesnt like jews, now its just someone the jews dont like'.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I signed it too but yeah ive had issues with them for years.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
First I've seen of it, sorry. Be nice to see the question before as well, but her final answer is rambling and incoherent, and yes, the whatabouttery of it puts me on my guard. Someone brings up the Holocaust and she replies with a ramble about Jewish involvement in the slave trade. 'many Jews were the chief financiers of the slave trade'. Hmm. Some were, no doubt, but most weren't - she comes very close to allocating collective guilt there. And what does that have to do with the Holocaust? Also, this bit ''we are victims and perpetrators to some extent through choice'? What does that even mean? Some Hegelian bullshit, or some less high-minded bullshit? I really don't know.
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Every time I read that it sounds worse. It's just wrong on every conceivable level. Even if Jews were the main financiers of the slave trade what does it matter?
bimble
floofy
Ok this is what I reckon underlies her many recent statements on the topic of of jews, when you take all her various statements together (the ones about the holocaust, the one about the slave trade, the one about security at jewish schools being nothing special cos everyone has security nowadays etc):
She's been suggesting that there are two kinds of people in the world, the victims and the aggressors, the powerful and the powerless, and that 'the jews' must stop pretending to be on the victim side of that dichotomy, because Israel.
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I don't know anything about the person in question, but for me it's appears to be a prime example of the confusion that identity politics can lead to.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its also the arrogance of not STFU when pulled but doubling down. Been mentioned previously in the thread but what a liability.
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Title of this thread seems to suggest this is the right place...or is there a reshuffle thread.
However, Abbott's appointment really does look like shark jumping. Purely in terms of the predictable effect. He must have known the reaction even if he thinks she's any use. Chakrabati..pure fuckin sleaze.
Can even think he made the calculation that criticism can be explained in terms of insecure white males objecting to experienced and educated black women...racist misogyny etc.
I'm not impressed. He seems to want to put together a team for a short burst of intense posturing and hand-wringing before they all slide off into the abyss. It's fuckin sad and a wasted opportunity.
However, Abbott's appointment really does look like shark jumping. Purely in terms of the predictable effect. He must have known the reaction even if he thinks she's any use. Chakrabati..pure fuckin sleaze.
Can even think he made the calculation that criticism can be explained in terms of insecure white males objecting to experienced and educated black women...racist misogyny etc.
I'm not impressed. He seems to want to put together a team for a short burst of intense posturing and hand-wringing before they all slide off into the abyss. It's fuckin sad and a wasted opportunity.
bemused
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I have residual respect for Chakrabati, however, Abbott is deeply unlikable; she'll make Amber Rudd look like the affable aunt that stuffed you full of cake when you visited her.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
sent her kid private
James McFadden
if it moves, look at it
Agree. Chakrabati's pretty sharp. No problem with her in normal circumstances. Abbott is and has long been a clown.
Just seems to be another 'rub their noses in diversity' moment...kinda big "fuck you' to the judge before he 'goes down'.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i doubt it - given that the Tories can count two female PM's and two female Home Secretaries while Labour can count none and one, i think he'd be well advised to keep his hole shut on the subject. Abbot has been put into Shadow HS because she's one of his oldest political friends, holds very similar views and will probably be the last of the Corbynistas to stick the knife in when it becomes a political neccesity.
and, as the man says, she can't be sent to shadow Education because she sent her son to a very nice school (can't recall if it was actually private or whether it was a Grammar in all but name..) that was a very long way from where she lived while saying that others should have their kids go to the local comp. she's also quite a bit posher than Justine Greening...
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Including the genocide being commited in Palestine?
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