bimble
floofy
I think we have a winner.
Just out of curiosity, what's your definition of a Zionist Dr Ding?
It's a word you use a lot so you must know.
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Just out of curiosity, what's your definition of a Zionist Dr Ding?
It's a word you use a lot so you must know.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
actually private. Abbott has clearly been given a job cos she's a close Corbyn ally. tbh it's pretty offensive to suggest that every non-white-male is somehow being chosen out of tokenism (not you).
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
You've been shown to be wrong on many occasions now. To your credit you have acknowledge the error of your position on a couple of occasions....but then you just carry on conflating bigotry with the state of Israel.
bimble
floofy
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Between 1942 and 1945 the Jewish population of Europe fell by one third.
Since the Six Day war, the Palestinian population has double. Desperate though the Palestinian situation is, it's not genocide.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Nationalism. In a word.
What it has meant in practice is ethnic cleansing, slow drip genocide and war crimes committed by 'the only democracy in the middle east' for over 60 years.
Nothing to see here.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
What the state of Israel has commited over this long period of time is textbook genocide....
http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf
bimble
floofy
Nationalist? That is what you mean when you say Zionist? ok.
Are all manifestations of nationalism that result in the forced displacement and murder of civilians equally repugnant?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Agreed. And it doesn't help to misconstrue this, especially when far more apt comparisons, such as that with apartheid South Africa (not coincidentally a regime that was very chummy with Israel), are there.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Yes, ethnic cleansing and murder is repugnant. Next.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
They're repugnant, you've got that much right at least. But they're not genocide.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
"Legal definition of genocide Genocide is defined in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part1 ; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.""
Let's do this slowly...
The bits in bold. Do you believe Israel has not committed those crimes?
bimble
floofy
Next?
You agree that Zionism is an example of nationalism and that all manifestations of nationalism that result in people being killed displaced and becoming refugees is equally repugnant. Great.
ok next:
What does anti-Zionist mean ?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No, I believe the Israelis are peace loving agrarian reformers.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Should a memorial to the genocide in srebrenica say spend pages banging on about isis?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
So, you accept that by the UN definition of genocide that Israel has been committing this crime?
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
bimble
floofy
Yes, why not. Just last week I gatecrashed a funeral down the road to tell them about my mate who is also dead.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I was being facetious.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
No I don't accept that I have been beating my wife, because I do not have a wife.
bimble
floofy
Come on Dr.Ding. You are a passionate anti-zionist. What does it mean ?Christ this is boring. I much preferred it when you was black
I really am interested in your answer no rush.
JimW
支那暗杀团
This is the thing. You might well mention the Assyrians at an event commemorating the Armenian genocide but if you didn't it wouldn't make the event invalid or suspect.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Well, have a think. If I've loosely defined Zionism as a form of nationalism and that the state of Israel is committing genocide. What do you think that being opposed to Zionism could mean?
Clue: It's not bigotry.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
You wouldnt expect a litany of armenian crimes to be recited at such an event either.
bimble
floofy
Oh, I get it now, you are someone who doesn't like genocide.
Please try harder.
I expected more from you, you've been a human shield after all. Are you just a general purpose anti-genocider?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Holocaust was a particular thing. I dislike the idea that some have to call it 'special' or 'unique', but it was a very particular thing that was directed primarily at a particular group. Surely it's a silly dead end to complain about commemorations of that thing, which is still - just - in living memory. Those many Jews who survived WW2 in Europe and then sought a new life in Israel had very good reason to do so. That's worth remembering, whatever the Israeli state has done since, or indeed did before.
It's right to be on a keen lookout to see if this commemoration is being hijacked to political ends, but I can't see the sense in having a go at the thing in and of itself.
It's right to be on a keen lookout to see if this commemoration is being hijacked to political ends, but I can't see the sense in having a go at the thing in and of itself.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Wonder if srebrenica commemoration events should also include references to the arab slave trade and every crime alledgedly commited by a muslim.
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