TheHoodedClaw
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The leadership is pretty relaxed about private, or at least privileged, education. How could they not be?
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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The leadership is pretty relaxed about private, or at least privileged, education. How could they not be?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Unfortunately, the brick signed the papers for a Socialist Alliance candidate in 2002.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
The interview on HS2 that the ex shadow transport minister was using as part of her justification of resigning.
Looks to me like Corbyn pretty much said the same thing as Greenwood, just went a bit further on discussing the options he thought should be considered around Old Oak Common, and saying that this still needed discussing at cabinet.
If anything it looks like she jumped the gun in thinking her view was the official collective view of the party leadership if it hadn't been discussed at a cabinet meeting. Collective responsibility surely means that sort of thing should be discussed before being viewed as official policy, discussions with policy head or leader would be just that. That's probably how Corbyn would have viewed it anyway.
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Looks to me like Corbyn pretty much said the same thing as Greenwood, just went a bit further on discussing the options he thought should be considered around Old Oak Common, and saying that this still needed discussing at cabinet.
If anything it looks like she jumped the gun in thinking her view was the official collective view of the party leadership if it hadn't been discussed at a cabinet meeting. Collective responsibility surely means that sort of thing should be discussed before being viewed as official policy, discussions with policy head or leader would be just that. That's probably how Corbyn would have viewed it anyway.
Stephen Kinnock is a loathsome twat. Not sure where he got that from?
That nut hasn't fallen far from the tree as it!
This post cropped up on a facebook page. Have no idea if it is the real story but it sounds plausible.
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Please read and share this Exposé on Owen Smith MP
Owen Smith MP, who is challenging Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, has a lot of dirty linen that he does not want washed in public. Luckily, I have brought my own box of Daz.
I have it on very good authority (from someone within the Blarite Labour camp, who is disgusted by the behind-the-scenes secret-deals, funny handshakes, and distain for the voters), of the following:
1. Owen Smith is actually the original perpetrator of the challenge to Jeremy Corbyn (and has been for a very time). The agenda for the leadership challenge was set up in April! Yes, that’s right, April and not July. Angela Eagle was brought in as a ruse, to make Owen look good. Eagle actually believed that she had a chance. She had none. This was a coup d'état with only a few of the players in the know. Angela Eagle was not one of them. She was deliberately led down the garden path to make mistakes and look foolish (and didn’t she rise to the challenge). Owen Smith’s agenda during the interview with Eagle on the recent BBC news show is obvious for all to see. When Owen indicated that: “He would withdraw from the contest if Ms Eagle won more support among Labour MPs”, you could almost see him snigger. Smith already knew the agenda was set. He already knew who his supporters were and also those of Eagle. So, the interview was merely play-acting on his part.
2. Owen Smith had always intended to split the Labour Party (right from the beginning). Apparently, Owen Smith believes he can head Jeremy Corbyn off at the pass. It goes something like this: should Corbyn win, none of the MP’s will take cabinet positions (this has already been decided by those in the know). Smith believes that by doing this, it will split the party in two. This is what he wants. Smith realises that Jeremy has so much grass-roots support, that he is unable to successfully win in that quarter. However, a split party is a weakened party and he intends to take full advantage of it.
3. Many of the Blairite MP’s have been offered powerful positions and sweetheart deals, should they vote against Corbyn. It is extremely hush-hush and it does explain why so many MP’s suddenly went against Corbyn. Those who sat on the fence eventually decided to support ANYBODY other than Corbyn. I would suggest that once Jeremy Corbyn gets in, that the bank accounts and behind-the-scene deals of these MP’s are investigated. The whole system that they are involved in is so incredibly corrupt.
4. As many of you know, Smith was a lobbyist for Pfizer. As Head of Policy and Government Relations for Pfizer, Owen Smith was also directly involved in Pfizer’s funding of Blairite right-wing entryist group Progress. Pfizer gave Progress £53,000. Progress has actively pursued the agenda of PFI and privatisation of NHS services.
Pfizer is among the world's largest pharmaceutical companies. Big Pharma seeks enormous profits over the health and well-being of the humans it serves, and these drug companies invasively corrupt the way that the healthcare industry delivers its vital services. Corrupt being the operative word.
So, why was Owen involved with an American company? Well, Owen Smith is on record as saying that: “.... Pfizer had been “extremely supportive” of his aspirations to public office”. Make of that what you will.
Well, I am sure that Pfizer would love to get their toe in the door of the British NHS and Owen is their man to do just that!
During his time as chief lobbyist for Pfizer, Owen Smith actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services. Therefore, we know that the NHS will definitely not be safe in his hands. Should he become leader of the Labour Party, it will only be a matter of time before he will use his influence to start the process for privatisation of the NHS.
What we will end up with is something akin to the American system, where you will need to show your credit card (or insurance papers), before receiving treatment. Americans (rich and poor), have to find ways of paying for their very expensive treatments, should they get sick. This is our future, should Owen Smith become leader of the Labour Party.
And, if you think things could not get dirtier, Owen Smith is a strong supporter of Trident and assiduously courts the arms industry. He is a regular at defence industry events.
This is dirty dealing, folks. THIS is what we will get should Smith rise to power. If you value your future and well-being of your family, then you must do everything you can to ensure that he cannot continue his corrupt agenda. If he gains leadership, we really can say goodbye to the NHS and a whole lot more.
Please share this message as far and wide as you can, since the people need to know what is going on.
******************************************************************
Please read and share this Exposé on Owen Smith MP
Owen Smith MP, who is challenging Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, has a lot of dirty linen that he does not want washed in public. Luckily, I have brought my own box of Daz.
I have it on very good authority (from someone within the Blarite Labour camp, who is disgusted by the behind-the-scenes secret-deals, funny handshakes, and distain for the voters), of the following:
1. Owen Smith is actually the original perpetrator of the challenge to Jeremy Corbyn (and has been for a very time). The agenda for the leadership challenge was set up in April! Yes, that’s right, April and not July. Angela Eagle was brought in as a ruse, to make Owen look good. Eagle actually believed that she had a chance. She had none. This was a coup d'état with only a few of the players in the know. Angela Eagle was not one of them. She was deliberately led down the garden path to make mistakes and look foolish (and didn’t she rise to the challenge). Owen Smith’s agenda during the interview with Eagle on the recent BBC news show is obvious for all to see. When Owen indicated that: “He would withdraw from the contest if Ms Eagle won more support among Labour MPs”, you could almost see him snigger. Smith already knew the agenda was set. He already knew who his supporters were and also those of Eagle. So, the interview was merely play-acting on his part.
2. Owen Smith had always intended to split the Labour Party (right from the beginning). Apparently, Owen Smith believes he can head Jeremy Corbyn off at the pass. It goes something like this: should Corbyn win, none of the MP’s will take cabinet positions (this has already been decided by those in the know). Smith believes that by doing this, it will split the party in two. This is what he wants. Smith realises that Jeremy has so much grass-roots support, that he is unable to successfully win in that quarter. However, a split party is a weakened party and he intends to take full advantage of it.
3. Many of the Blairite MP’s have been offered powerful positions and sweetheart deals, should they vote against Corbyn. It is extremely hush-hush and it does explain why so many MP’s suddenly went against Corbyn. Those who sat on the fence eventually decided to support ANYBODY other than Corbyn. I would suggest that once Jeremy Corbyn gets in, that the bank accounts and behind-the-scene deals of these MP’s are investigated. The whole system that they are involved in is so incredibly corrupt.
4. As many of you know, Smith was a lobbyist for Pfizer. As Head of Policy and Government Relations for Pfizer, Owen Smith was also directly involved in Pfizer’s funding of Blairite right-wing entryist group Progress. Pfizer gave Progress £53,000. Progress has actively pursued the agenda of PFI and privatisation of NHS services.
Pfizer is among the world's largest pharmaceutical companies. Big Pharma seeks enormous profits over the health and well-being of the humans it serves, and these drug companies invasively corrupt the way that the healthcare industry delivers its vital services. Corrupt being the operative word.
So, why was Owen involved with an American company? Well, Owen Smith is on record as saying that: “.... Pfizer had been “extremely supportive” of his aspirations to public office”. Make of that what you will.
Well, I am sure that Pfizer would love to get their toe in the door of the British NHS and Owen is their man to do just that!
During his time as chief lobbyist for Pfizer, Owen Smith actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services. Therefore, we know that the NHS will definitely not be safe in his hands. Should he become leader of the Labour Party, it will only be a matter of time before he will use his influence to start the process for privatisation of the NHS.
What we will end up with is something akin to the American system, where you will need to show your credit card (or insurance papers), before receiving treatment. Americans (rich and poor), have to find ways of paying for their very expensive treatments, should they get sick. This is our future, should Owen Smith become leader of the Labour Party.
And, if you think things could not get dirtier, Owen Smith is a strong supporter of Trident and assiduously courts the arms industry. He is a regular at defence industry events.
This is dirty dealing, folks. THIS is what we will get should Smith rise to power. If you value your future and well-being of your family, then you must do everything you can to ensure that he cannot continue his corrupt agenda. If he gains leadership, we really can say goodbye to the NHS and a whole lot more.
Please share this message as far and wide as you can, since the people need to know what is going on.
Combustible
Well-Known Member
Why would Blairite MPs need to be offered anything to vote against Corbyn?
Voting no-confidence in Corbyn is utterly absurd by any reasonable measure and treacherous. I think it's important to take a step back and realise that groups just do not behave in such a way unless they are corrupted somehow.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
The stuff about Eagle being set up is highly plausible.
bi0boy
Power User
Or anything that "cropped up on a Facebook page"
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Do Labour intend to overturn EVEL? Because if not, Owen Smith, were he to become PM, would not be able to vote on his own government's health or education policies.
You're most welcome William
No probs, but as I've just posted, I have big doubts about the actual story -- just wanted people to read/talk about it.
There's no evidence at all. It's not speculation. It claims to be the inside story which it either is or isn't.
You know how conspiracy theories take hold right? They take some known fact, then whip em all up with some plausible (and not so plausible) speculation. It's going to be really tedious the next few days as people triumphantly post this made up story all over the shop as if it's check mate. I doubt even the canary would print this, it's so empty of facts.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It doesn't read like an insider expose, in part because it lacks focus. Especially the second half is just a mishmash of already well discussed factoids, taken somewhat out of context.
For example the following:
That was from his first disastrous attempt to become an MP in a by-election. Since he was still working for Pfizer at the time of the campaign it was just a standard canned response to questions about that dynamic. Thats not to say I trust him with NHS decisions at all or think his Pfizer history is irrelevant, but that particular quote is hardly a useful part of a focussed insider expose.
For example the following:
That was from his first disastrous attempt to become an MP in a by-election. Since he was still working for Pfizer at the time of the campaign it was just a standard canned response to questions about that dynamic. Thats not to say I trust him with NHS decisions at all or think his Pfizer history is irrelevant, but that particular quote is hardly a useful part of a focussed insider expose.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Aside from the valid cynicism already expressed above, to believe that post is accurate, wouldn't you have to accept that Owen Smith is it - that Eagle was a stalking horse for this... guinea pig?
The Blairites' sheer arrogance may yet be their undoing, but I still find it hard to believe they don't have anyone more plausible than this up their sleeves. It seems much more likely that the real candidate, whoever it was, has quietly and wisely withdrawn back into the shadows after seeing the widespread scorn and derision the two declared candidates' bids have attracted from their electorate. Unlike Eagle, Smith does at least seem to have some sort of plan beyond blankly repeating what gender he is and which part of the country he's from, but surely to fuck he's not their secret weapon?
The Blairites' sheer arrogance may yet be their undoing, but I still find it hard to believe they don't have anyone more plausible than this up their sleeves. It seems much more likely that the real candidate, whoever it was, has quietly and wisely withdrawn back into the shadows after seeing the widespread scorn and derision the two declared candidates' bids have attracted from their electorate. Unlike Eagle, Smith does at least seem to have some sort of plan beyond blankly repeating what gender he is and which part of the country he's from, but surely to fuck he's not their secret weapon?
it isn't. someone has worked up the stuff that's already been doing the rounds of twitter etc and sprinkled it with a bit of guess work. there's no detail whatsoever that suggests it came from anyone in the know and most of the points don't seem like the sort of thing a Blairite insider would raise anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Now you know why they wanted to keep it secret
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I've seen a couple of other source-less things like this being pushed on social media.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Seriously. Eagle as Trojan Rabbit, Smith as the empty space within.
Also "why was Owen involved with an American company?" Is ridiculous - Pfizer uk have a couple of thousand uk employees.
You could say similar things about someone who had worked for any multinational employer.
Alex
Ole
Well-Known Member
I knew it was bollocks when it said at the beginning that the challenge actually began behind the scenes in April ('April!'). John Mann has recently gone on the record to say he was approached 6 months ago to back Owen Smith in a leadership challenge, which he declined to do.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
Local TUSC member proclaiming on the local "news" page on Facebook that there will be a 'huge' rally for Corbyn on the weekend - 150-200 to attend, they've been liaising with the police...
"Come along and hear over 7 Trade Union and Socialist Party speakers".
Over 7!
Same guy predicts Corbyn will win and return Labour to socialism.
"Come along and hear over 7 Trade Union and Socialist Party speakers".
Over 7!
Same guy predicts Corbyn will win and return Labour to socialism.
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