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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

newbie said:
do you have figures for how (2015) Labour members voted in the ref?
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No. But that is the only population this sample is supposed to represent. So saying that the sample is not credible because it is 90% remain and the general population was 48% remain, doesn't make any sense.

ETA: A YouGov poll post-Brexit says pre-2015 election Labour members voted 93% remain.

That same poll has all Labour members at 90% remain.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...ogs4gmc/TimesResults_160630_LabourMembers.pdf
 
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TheHoodedClaw said:
OK, what you've got (most likely) is a Visa debit card then. You should be able to pay with it.
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Sorry, I meant the Visa logo was on the application page. There is no such logo on my card and previous attempts to use it in such a manner have uniformly been failures. The only thing I know for certain that I can use the card for is to withdraw money from the ATMs of the bank that issued the card.
 
NoXion said:
Sorry, I meant the Visa logo was on the application page. There is no such logo on my card and previous attempts to use it in such a manner have uniformly been failures. The only thing I know for certain that I can use the card for is to withdraw money from the ATMs of the bank that issued the card.
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Ah, OK gotcha. That's not good then. :(
 
elbows said:
Plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Smith and attack him, but I think the sunday austerity comment was just him mangling his words and Eagle & Marr doing a somewhat confusing job of correcting the error.

I'm pretty sure he misspoke because elsewhere the non-mangled version of his oh so cleverly planned sound-bite was reported. e.g.:

'The biggest idea I will be offering is yes we need to be anti-austerity but we need to be pro prosperity'.
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If being pro-prosperity is not the same thing as being anti-austerity, what is it?

It's kind of easier to muddle your words when they are coming from the head and not the heart. Like fuck is Owen Smith anti-austerity. He is, like the good PR man that he is, embarking on a Orwellian rebranding of the term 'austerity'. "prosperity' sounds so much more appealing doesn't it?
 
squirrelp said:
If being pro-prosperity is not the same thing as being anti-austerity, what is it?

It's kind of easier to muddle your words when they are coming from the head and not the heart. Like fuck is Owen Smith anti-austerity. He is, like the good PR man that he is, embarking on a Orwellian rebranding of the term 'austerity'. "prosperity' sounds so much more appealing doesn't it?
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'Pro-prosperity' is textbook neoliberal trickle-down-economics 'intensely relaxed about the rich' Blairism, is what it is. Utterly incompatible with anti-austerity but who cares because 'middle England'll probably be fine with it as long as we promise not to make them any worse off.
 
elbows said:
Plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Smith and attack him, but I think the sunday austerity comment was just him mangling his words and Eagle & Marr doing a somewhat confusing job of correcting the error.

I'm pretty sure he misspoke because elsewhere the non-mangled version of his oh so cleverly planned sound-bite was reported. e.g.:

'The biggest idea I will be offering is yes we need to be anti-austerity but we need to be pro prosperity'.
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Oh wow what a wonderfully inspiring phrase that sounds nothing like new labour at all. I'll rush to pay my £25 and throw my full weight behind him immediately...
 
Well I'm so cynical I probably shouldn't bother following this party political circus at all. But since I am, I will ascribe a more neutral interpretation to the phrase pro-prosperity. I know it is probably very easy to find the phrase being used across quite a range of right wing and libertarian political and economic stances. But I think its been used by the left too, perhaps more in the USA than here.

So for now I'm going to assume its a totally empty phrase at the moment, rather than a demonstration of his latent Blairism. I'll have to wait for slogans that have at least a hint of actual policy in them to judge properly.

Part of the reason I'm doing this is that its not clear to me that all those who worshipped at the altar of Blairism and neoliberalism think that the future will be cast along the very same boundaries. They are probably seeking a reconstruction, and there are battles to be fought about what aspects of blairism gets ditched, what stuff 'of the left' can be turned into policy, etc. It's not a battle I'm truly fascinated by because its still most likely to be shit, wedded to the dominant economic ideologies, and going nowhere near far enough towards a future I'd like to see. But there is still a little bit of wiggle room in terms of future policy positions of the PLP so I won't assume too much yet.

Take for example trickle-down which you mention. I vividly remember it being acknowledged in the wake of the financial crisis that this particular aspect of neoliberal economic propaganda was dead. It's one of the only things I saw conceded on the ideological front. But then nothing much else happened. We were still treated to austerity and the dull, narrow crap non-debates around it. And even the master bullshitters seemed low on the sort of bullshit that they could jam into the hole that trickle-down once filled. The internal 'debate' about Labours future would be much easier for the Blairites to ride to success if the could come up with something at least half-convincing to fill that hole too. Maybe there is nothing of that sort that will fill it. Its no wonder people seek to return to some previously ditched labour left policies instead, see if any of them can be scrunched into the hole without ditching any other part of the capitalism & markets dream. Hell look at the noises even Theresa May makes on this front - I'm not claiming the Tories will follow through with any of them but its blatantly obvious that the message she thinks she needs to send out on the economic front is not of the Blairite style.
 
elbows said:
Well I'm so cynical I probably shouldn't bother following this party political circus at all. But since I am, I will ascribe a more neutral interpretation to the phrase pro-prosperity. I know it is probably very easy to find the phrase being used across quite a range of right wing and libertarian political and economic stances. But I think its been used by the left too, perhaps more in the USA than here.

So for now I'm going to assume its a totally empty phrase at the moment, rather than a demonstration of his latent Blairism. I'll have to wait for slogans that have at least a hint of actual policy in them to judge properly.
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I think they repeatedly use it because it works - especially when faced with challenges from the left where the stock response seems to be tax and spend, or borrow, tax and spend. It is a very easy thing to package to an electorate whose experience is that they cannot spend their way out of a crisis, so don't expect the Government to be able to.

I am not sure that McDonnell et al recognize this sufficiently yet either, especially based on recent statements - what they should be doing before anything else is highlighting waste like PFI deals, the IEP contract, the NHS market, all the HB money that goes to private landlords (rather than building council housing) etc etc; after all the PLP being in revolt does give them an opportunity to absolutely slate their record, as well as that of the Tories.
 
Smith says he is as radical as corbyn. Anyone know bona fide credentials such as extra parliamentary activism etc?
 
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That being said, why is James Schneider on Newsnight as Corbyn's spokesperson? Not sure if having someone who is both privately educated and so young vs Stephen Kinnock looks great, makes the leadership look unserious.
 
just googled and this came up? Momentum Deny Changing Its Name After Company Becomes 'Jeremy For Labour'

The Jeremy Corbyn-backing Momentum group has denied changing its name, despite the company which runs the organisation rebranding ahead of this summer’s Labour leadership contest. The organisation was registered with Companies House as Momentum Campaign Ltd until Monday, when it was changed to Jeremy for Labour Ltd. The new name echoes the group’s original title, Jeremy Corbyn Campaign 2015 (Supporters) Ltd, which it was called when officially registered on June 24 last year. Despite the company literally changing its name, Momentum spokesman James Schneider told HuffPost UK: “Momentum hasn’t changed its name. “The company that has changed its name is a Data Controller registered with the ICO [Information Commissioner’s Office]. “The company has changed its name to make clear its relationship with this year’s Jeremy for Labour leadership campaign, for which it is the Data Processor. ‘Data Controller’ and ‘Data Processor’ are terms used by the ICO to determine who decides what to do with data and who subsequently acts upon it. In the context of the leadership election, it means personal information submitted to Momentum – such as email addresses and phone numbers - can now be used by the Jeremy for Labour Ltd campaign. Labour MPs Angela Eagle and Owen Smith are currently both seeking to challenge Corbyn for the Labour leadership, after the Islington North MP lost a vote of no confidence among the parliamentary party. Momentum has been organising rallies in support of Corbyn’s leadership which have attracted not only Labour members but followers of other political parties – such as the Socialist Workers. Thousands of Corbyn supporters crammed into Parliament Square last month as members of the Shadow Cabinet quit en masse in protest at the party leader. Corbyn himself addressed the activists, as did long-term ally Diane Abbott and Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell. ▶ Full story on huffingtonpost.co.uk
 
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