Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Brixton Hatter]

Yeah so fuck you everyone who doesn't have a job. ...and by hell don't protest anythng, put up and shut up.

If you think the country need new leadership, I am begging you to join our Party and give Labour the champion they need

Jesus, what a dick. (I preferred Del Piero's earlier work for Juventus.)

 

[Vintage Paw]

You'd have to be an idiot to want to come back to it once you've made your escape (re: bananaman)

 

[Orang Utan]

You'd have to be an idiot to want to come back to it once you've made your escape (re: bananaman)

like when you make a big scene leaving but then remember you've forgotten your phone

 

[DotCommunist]

'if there wasn't women present I'd bloody your nose'

 

[Casually Red]

Alec Salmond putting his oar in. Mightn't be too far off the mark. Or even spot on it .

Corbyn coup designed to stop him 'calling for Blair's head' after Chilcot

 

[Casually Red]

By all accounts he's well set in America and wouldn't want to come back anyway.

He could be hiding out there for a while in kissingers spare room if this coup fails .

 

[killer b]

Alec Salmond putting his oar in. Mightn't be too far off the mark. Or even spot on it .

Corbyn coup designed to stop him 'calling for Blair's head' after Chilcot

I don't think either he nor they are that vain or singleminded. Sure it's a factor, but not that big.

 

[Kaka Tim]

By all accounts he's well set in America and wouldn't want to come back anyway.

bezzie mates with Hilary Clinton apparently.

 

[JimW]

bezzie mates with Hilary Clinton apparently.

Hard to imagine either of them having any human feelings but I'll take your word

 

[nino_savatte]

Funny how much crying the PLP are doing since they are basically using the tactics of school bullies.

It's gaslighting.

 

[J Ed]

It's gaslighting.

I wish someone would give the fuckers something to really cry about. When Corbyn wins they can keep crying, it won't do any good

 

[free spirit]

Was it the Yougov poll released on Friday that stopped Eagle from kick starting the leadership contest properly?

According to that poll Corbyn would beat any other candidate by at least 10%.

Whoever's pulling the strings on this in the PLP obviously decided that another few days of attacks was needed to soften up corbyn's support / attempt to force him to resign was needed before any contest started after seeing that polling data.

The polling data also shows up how much of a split there is between the new membership from the Corbyn inspired post election surge vs the pre-election membership, with only 36% of the pre-election members saying they'd vote for Corbyn vs any of Jarvis, Watson, Eagle vs 67-69% of the post election membership saying they'd vote for Corbyn.

There's a new party within the labour party and it's bigger than the rump of the new labour version of the party, and growing faster every time they attack Corbyn. No wonder they're so desperate to force him to resign, it's pretty much their last roll of the dice.

 

[J Ed]

I've been getting militantly anti-Corbyn sponsored posts on my facebook feed from Progress funded front groups, one was from a group claiming (and uncritically described as such by the Guardian) to be an anti-Semitism lobby group and the other from Luke Akehurst's McCarthyite wank project Labour First.

 

[Sue]

'if there wasn't women present I'd bloody your nose'

'Ladies', surely?

 

[Vintage Paw]

Was it the Yougov poll released on Friday that stopped Eagle from kick starting the leadership contest properly?

According to that poll Corbyn would beat any other candidate by at least 10%.

Whoever's pulling the strings on this in the PLP obviously decided that another few days of attacks was needed to soften up corbyn's support / attempt to force him to resign was needed before any contest started after seeing that polling data.

The polling data also shows up how much of a split there is between the new membership from the Corbyn inspired post election surge vs the pre-election membership, with only 36% of the pre-election members saying they'd vote for Corbyn vs any of Jarvis, Watson, Eagle vs 67-69% of the post election membership saying they'd vote for Corbyn.

There's a new party within the labour party and it's bigger than the rump of the new labour version of the party, and growing faster every time they attack Corbyn. No wonder they're so desperate to force him to resign, it's pretty much their last roll of the dice.

That's why they want to get rid of Momentum. It's driving a fair bit of the support into the party. Not all of it, but enough that it probably matters.

 

[Orang Utan]

I've been through this with him already. He's a stubborn bugger. Good job he's charismatic and sexy.

wait a minute, when i read that, i thought you were talking about Corbyn, but you weren't were you?

 

[Vintage Paw]

 

[squirrelp]

ah... too slow

 

[free spirit]

That's why they want to get rid of Momentum. It's driving a fair bit of the support into the party. Not all of it, but enough that it probably matters.

Hopefully that will be much harder to do when they're now representing the majority view of the party membership than it was with Militant.

And with the power of social media now they're able to completely bypass the mainstream media to reach huge numbers of like minded people. I saw Momentum claiming 11 million post reach this week.

But even those who're not on social media at all who support corbyn are being driven to joining up to vote for him and defend him from this coup by the PLP - if my dad's anything to go by, who doesn't have a facebook or twitter account.

 

[Vintage Paw]

The thing is, the genie is out of the bottle now.

Even if Corbyn goes, and even if a fair few people leave Labour as a result, there are a lot of people for whom this has been a call to arms, even a political awakening, really.

I saw some research from America, that found that 70% of millennials are more supportive of socialism and wealth redistribution than they are of capitalism. That's not going away, no matter how many Hillarys are elected. Sure, some will drift back centre-wards, some will run out of steam without the excitement and motivation of a current fight (in the US's case Bernie running for the nom), but there's a distinct change in overall outlook, even if it's not as revolutionary as some would like. It's not just the idealism of the young that every generation sees -- it's a definite shift. Socialism (of a sort, maybe in name only) is back on the table, in the US and over here, for the first time in who knows when. It looks different to how it did 40 years ago, because our material and social circumstances are different, of course. But there it is. There's a feeling that if it's not harnessed right now this moment while the opportunity is there (with Corbyn or with Bernie) that it'll be lost, but that sea change in attitudes will remain.

They will do everything in their power to squash it.

 

[Gerry1time]

And with the power of social media now they're able to completely bypass the mainstream media to reach huge numbers of like minded people. I saw Momentum claiming 11 million post reach this week.

To be fair, those stats can be misleading. Was that unique impressions or just total impressions? Is it across multiple platforms or just one? On top of which, just because a post loaded on a page creating an impression, it doesn't mean the content was read, or even agreed with. Social media is important, but its power is generally massively overstated.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Well, looks like she finally did it...

 

[ska invita]

Was it the Yougov poll released on Friday that stopped Eagle from kick starting the leadership contest properly?

According to that poll Corbyn would beat any other candidate by at least 10%.

Whoever's pulling the strings on this in the PLP obviously decided that another few days of attacks was needed to soften up corbyn's support / attempt to force him to resign was needed before any contest started after seeing that polling data.

The polling data also shows up how much of a split there is between the new membership from the Corbyn inspired post election surge vs the pre-election membership, with only 36% of the pre-election members saying they'd vote for Corbyn vs any of Jarvis, Watson, Eagle vs 67-69% of the post election membership saying they'd vote for Corbyn.

There's a new party within the labour party and it's bigger than the rump of the new labour version of the party, and growing faster every time they attack Corbyn. No wonder they're so desperate to force him to resign, it's pretty much their last roll of the dice.

She was meant to launch last wednesday afternoon. at some point on that wednesday it became clear to them she would lose and the launch was aborted - i think not least because immediately there was outraged reaction from party members, in liverpool and around the country. Her voting record is abysmal and that went around on social media too. I genuinely dont think they considered that in the run up.

But yeah, agree, they only have one other way to play it and thats keep the jabs going and hope it loses Corbyn points and then stand someone at that point.

As to the size of the party, they will also need new MPs to stand and win seats at some point, once this lot are either binned, walk or reconvert.

 

[free spirit]

To be fair, those stats can be misleading. Was that unique impressions or just total impressions? Is it across multiple platforms or just one? On top of which, just because a post loaded on a page creating an impression, it doesn't mean the content was read, or even agreed with. Social media is important, but its power is generally massively overstated.

oh I know that, but it's still a fuckload of impressions, and it works on facebook because it reaches those who're already sympathetic to the message and reinforces existing support.

The JC4PM page has had 570k post interactions this week on 88 posts, Jeremy Corbyn's official page 451k interactions on 13 posts, momentum 116k interactions on 65 posts. That's a huge level of interaction and will generate a huge level of post views, the 11 million page views claimed is credible based on those figures, and will probably translate into well over a million unique users averaging around 10 impressions in the week, though many will be seeing a lot more.

As a comparison, the official labour party page had 8.5k, tories had 17.9k and UKIP had 73k, Lib dems 32k, Greens 36k interactions.

Essentially Corbyn's 2 main pages are getting around 10 x as many interactions between them as the official party pages of all the significant English parties combined. They're also getting around 100 x the interactions that the main Labour contenders are getting.

This social media strategy is largely responsible for the extra 60k members joining in the week, and for showing up his existing support in the face of this weeks PLP and media onslaught IMO, and it's almost all being done on organic hits rather than paid adverts.

This is also a key part of the reason that Corbyn is far better placed to win the next election especially an early election than any of the other contenders are, he has this huge social media presence up and running to turn to mobilising the supporters to get out on the streets and getting out the vote directly and indirectly. The Tories reckon they won the last election largely based on their facebook adverts, Corbyns social media presence gives Labour an incredible base from which to counter that strategy next time around.

eta figures from facebook's insights function for page adminstrators - it lets me see those stats for other pages.

 

[timeforanother]

Our ward meeting this evening backed Corbyn, but it was close. We wouldn't have sent a message of confidence without people switching from Green, new people and people who rejoined (I'm one of the latter).

There are still a lot of party aparachnics talking unity while meaning nothing of the sort. I'm sure they all love Malala though..

 

[Balbi]

I'm trying to work out how Eagle, who has all the presence and charisma of an eagle that's been hit by a truck, will be better for Labour.

Or how they're going to try and reclaim the north by talking 'sensibly' about immigration to the working classes, while simultaneously hanging onto their metropolitan centres.

Not to mention they're either going to have to purge the membership or face their wrath, and their membership pre-Corbyn was already crap enough that their election efforts were hopeless.

Basically, everything's going to burn

 

[free spirit]

Did they really think that someone who's spent 30 years refusing to do the bidding of the party whip when they demanded it is suddenly going to bend over an quit just because the majority of the PLP tells him that he must?

It seems they really are that fucking stupid.

 

[nino_savatte]

Now we have "Corbyn is paranoid". This article from The [distorted] Mirror is straight out of the "Let's undermine Harold Wilson" playbook.
Labour staffers blow the lid on life inside Jeremy Corbyn's 'paranoid' HQ

 

[Casually Red]

Was it the Yougov poll released on Friday that stopped Eagle from kick starting the leadership contest properly?

According to that poll Corbyn would beat any other candidate by at least 10%.

Whoever's pulling the strings on this in the PLP obviously decided that another few days of attacks was needed to soften up corbyn's support / attempt to force him to resign was needed before any contest started after seeing that polling data.

The polling data also shows up how much of a split there is between the new membership from the Corbyn inspired post election surge vs the pre-election membership, with only 36% of the pre-election members saying they'd vote for Corbyn vs any of Jarvis, Watson, Eagle vs 67-69% of the post election membership saying they'd vote for Corbyn.

There's a new party within the labour party and it's bigger than the rump of the new labour version of the party, and growing faster every time they attack Corbyn. No wonder they're so desperate to force him to resign, it's pretty much their last roll of the dice.

They may well have believed that the coup itself would be sufficient to oust him. That hed merely pack his bags and skulk off humiliated and chastened within a few days. And nobody would have to stand against him . While the labour membership would simply be stuck with them and have to put up with it . To me it looks like they badly miscalculated before they even began . Nobody wants to stand against him ..he obliterated them .
I don't think the yougov poll had anything to do with it . and I'm convinced Tony Blair has everything to do with it . Because if corbyn ends up pm he and the SNP ..and even some Tories may well be trying to stick his ass in the Hague . The blairites are loyal to Blair , simple as . And Blair remains the main figure.....by miles...who stands to gain from labour imploding when the Tories are sitting there rudderless and ripe for the almightiest of pluckings .

 

[Casually Red]

Now we have "Corbyn is paranoid". This article from The [distorted] Mirror is straight out of the "Let's undermine Harold Wilson" playbook.
Labour staffers blow the lid on life inside Jeremy Corbyn's 'paranoid' HQ

Thing is they are all out to get him