Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

The brother who should have been Labour Leader.

The leader over the water

 

[Rob Ray]

I think people are kidding themselves if they reckon Corbyn being more overtly hawkish would have helped. He actually did give way on NATO membership and the Labour manifesto included Trident renewal on his watch.

His problem was historic - decades of doveish behaviour for the media to draw on and pick him out as "not really meaning it" or "soft on terror" or whatever. He had the same problem with Brexit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think people are kidding themselves if they reckon Corbyn being more overtly hawkish would have helped. He actually did give way on NATO membership and the Labour manifesto included Trident renewal on his watch.

His problem was historic - decades of doveish behaviour for the media to draw on and pick him out as "not really meaning it" or "soft on terror" or whatever. He had the same problem with Brexit.

Having lots of great policies didn't really help when the Labour brexit policy was so shit and it was the get brexit done election

 

[hash tag]

Rather than hold my nose and vote labour I might well scrawl Jeremy Corbyn on my ballot paper.

 

[ska invita]

Having lots of great policies didn't really help when the Labour brexit policy was so shit and it was the get brexit done election

This is the number one reason above all

 

[Mation]

Rather than hold my nose and vote labour I might well scrawl Jeremy Corbyn on my ballot paper.

Can you write it as neatly as possible, please?

 

[hash tag]

Btw. Happy 75th birthday ( today ) Mr Corbyn.

 

[tim]

The leader over the water

The Leader in Aldi under my classroom being reverse Jesus in the Temple: insisting the money changers come back.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[brogdale]

What does the rest say?

 

[belboid]

What does the rest say?

The Labour Party defines itself as a democratic socialist party. On this basis all members, including those in Islington North, have the right to genuine input into democratic decision making, including the right to select their Parliamentary candidate. In the case of the Islington North CLP selection process, the actions of the Labour Party have fallen far short of its stated democratic standards.

 

[two sheds]

... we have therefore decided to throw our weight behind Chairman Jeremy in his attempt to retake the Labour Party leadership by armed struggle.

 

[Gramsci]

Rather than hold my nose and vote labour I might well scrawl Jeremy Corbyn on my ballot paper.

I almost did that at election for GLA and London mayor. But voted Green.

My MP is Helen Hayes. Good constituency MP. I've dealt with her.

Not ideologically on Labour right but voted against Corbyn as leader twice. A loyalist but not when Corbyn was leader.

Now in shadow cabinet. Sent me two long emails about how she had visited West Bank sone time back. And was upset at what was happening to Palestinians. But was torn and in end could not vote for a ceasefire during this recent phase of the conflict.

The rambling length of her emails showed her personal angst on this. She said she had been inundated with emails urging her to vote for ceasefire.

What puts me off Labour is this. Not in right of that party but when it comes down to serious issues sits on the fence and feels others pain.

Corbyn loathe him or love him would not have sat on fence.

To add. Not directed at you Corbyn got criticism for to much in last manifesto and prevaricating on Brexit.

But whole electoral strategy of Starmer party is to do exactly that. Prevaricate. In knowledge that Tory party is all at sea.

This is regarded now as example of why Starmer should be PM

It winds me up

 

[PR1Berske]

First leaflet now being sent out:

 

[Pickman's model]

First leaflet now being sent out:

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I'm so pleased to find you're involved with corbyn's campaign

 

[PR1Berske]

I'm so pleased to find you're involved with corbyn's campaign

Arf. Here to pass on info.

 

[ska invita]

Btw. Happy 75th birthday ( today ) Mr Corbyn.

His time is nearly up... Last term surely

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

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Tbh, this rings true. I know a fair few lefty folk who joined Labour in the Corbyn era. The vast majority of them were activisty types, used to donating their time and efforts to causes/campaigns they believed in, most of them went canvassing, many not only door-knocking in their own constituencies but also helping out in target seats.

They've all left the party now. iirc, some became disillusioned and left around the time Corbyn was ousted as leader, others who clung on have slowly left, one by one, with the remainder leaving relatively recently.

I also know a couple of people who joined around the same time, albeit not Corbynistas, who are still in the party. Neither are activisty types, neither are likely to go and help out with canvassing * for * Labour, although one mentioned that he might help out in a nearby constituency where there's a risk of a right-wing candidate getting elected, so if he does do any canvassing it will be * against * a right-wing candidate iyswim.

Those friends live in different constituencies and are both getting around three texts a day appealing for money or help.

I've long thought that Labour under Starmer would struggle to find willing footsoldiers in an election campaign after expelling so many lefties or making them feel so unwelcome they've left of their own accord.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I think we live in a period where large numbers of people are willing to switch votes in general. I don't think there is much party loyalty for any of the main parties these days. That messes with intuitions about voting patterns formed in previous decades.

Agreed. Party political tribalists often struggle to understand that other people aren't also party political tribalists.

Sometimes when I've got into a bit of an online debate, criticising something about Labour, I've been called a Tory, and vice versa. I'm neither. But many of them do view others through that either/or lens.

While I've never voted Conservative or for any right-wing party, I don't feel like I owe my loyalty to any party, I've voted Labour, Green and LibDem over the years, or none, either through a conscious choice to abstain or apathy.

I think you're right, in that the old ties between workers and trade unions and Labour are much, much weaker than they once were. Whereas Labour still takes voters for granted and acts like the working class and those on the left somehow owe it their vote.

My MP is changing this time round due to boundary changes, so I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, I haven't checked about the candidates yet, although there's a Labour incumbent who's probably

I'm tempted to spoil my ballot.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I think someone that's been an MP since 2010 and is now leader telling a long standing constituency MP like JC his days are well and truly over is a bit nasty. He had the whip removed because they thought he was an electoral liability, but why was that? years of smears?

The whole thing is nasty. I dpn't see how JC standing now affects labour at all tbh and if his constituents want him to stand at least then why shouldn't he? If his constituency overall votes the Labour candidate in well that's their right I guess. Seems a shitty way to end a career of what appears to be good service.

Sounds almost like a coup, when you put it like that.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I suppose I'm wondering how he is feeling about having been deselected from labour and now opposing a party he has been a member of for so long.
Yes there's political reasons but emotionally what is he feeling after such a long relationship

Having been a member for so long, it surely must feel like part of his identity, so perhaps feels akin to a divorce in some ways? Going from being half of a couple to being single again.

Maybe it feels like one of those long-term marriages where they reach retirement age and the spouse, seemingly out of the blue, says they've changed, they're not feeling it any more, they're no longer happy, and want a divorce? And they're left reeling.

And similarly, it's a case of who gets custody of the friends when it was the spouse who acted like the couple's diary secretary, organising dinner parties and dates and holidays and their appointments and life generally. They're feeling a bit discombobulated, when some people they'd thought of as friends for years suddenly take sides with the spouse, or the friend says they're not taking sides, but still becomes a bit more distant.

I'm fairly sure Starmer could willingly cross the floor without any compunction whatsoever, without a backward glance, because Labour isn't really something he believed/believes in, it's something that serves a purpose, but I'm guessing that for someone like Corbyn being expelled from the membership rocks his core beliefs about who and what he is on a deeply personal, visceral level. I'm guessing he's probably deeply confused and hurt by what has transpired.

 

[Rob Ray]

Sometimes when I've got into a bit of an online debate, criticising something about Labour, I've been called a Tory, and vice versa. I'm neither. But many of them do view others through that either/or lens.

One of my favourite interactions on social media is the confusion of Tories and Republicans trying to win an argument by whatabouting Starmer and Biden when I respond with "yeah they're scumbags and I'm not voting for them. Now about your point ..."

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

One of my favourite interactions on social media is the confusion of Tories and Republicans trying to win an argument by whatabouting Starmer and Biden when I respond with "yeah they're scumbags and I'm not voting for them. Now about your point ..."

Similarly, when I said something critical on social media about the US I had an American reply that I wouldn't like it if someone criticised my country. I replied along the lines of go ahead, doesn't bother me, in fact I criticise my own country all the time too.

 

[tony.c]

Similarly, when I said something critical on social media about the US I had an American reply that I wouldn't like it if someone criticised my country. I replied along the lines of go ahead, doesn't bother me, in fact I criticise my own country all the time too.

They usually react to any criticism of the US by saying 'you hate America'.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

First leaflet now being sent out:

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so all he did in the 20 years between 1990 and 2010 was go to a protest against the Iraq war...even I did that...

 

[The39thStep]

One of my favourite interactions on social media is the confusion of Tories and Republicans trying to win an argument by whatabouting Starmer and Biden when I respond with "yeah they're scumbags and I'm not voting for them. Now about your point ..."

Yes very often social media is just a trap of luring replies into a binary decision

 

[Puddy_Tat]

They usually react to any criticism of the US by saying 'you hate America'.

fairly standard response to anyone on the left who has any criticism of the incumbent government and / or establishment - see jeremy corbyn and being called 'unpatriotic'...

 

[hash tag]

They usually react to any criticism of the US by saying 'you hate America'.

We all did, didn't we?
In that leaflet, I think he is being diplomatic yet clearly very angry at the labour party.

 

[two sheds]

Charity Commission drops inquiry into Campaign Against Antisemitism

Regulator drops investigation four years after claims of political partisanship were raised

www.theguardian.com

errrrm

The Charity Commission has dropped its investigation into the Campaign Against Antisemitism – four years after the regulator was asked to look into allegations of political partisanship against the organisation.

The leftwing Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL), which has faced criticism from the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), including being called a “sham Jewish representative organisation”, made a complaint against the CAA to the commission in 2020.

JVL, which has had dozens of members investigated by Labour for alleged antisemitism, was previously told by the commission that it was investigating the CAA, and the regulator gave a statement to the Guardian last year saying it had opened a regulatory compliance case into the charity.

However, earlier this month, the commission wrote to JVL saying that its application had been refused because it was not “a person that is or may be affected by the registration of CAA”, leading to consternation at JVL, given the length of time taken and the regulator’s previous statements.

my bold but bloody hell how incompetent is that?

The veteran human rights lawyer Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC said: “There can be no dispute that political campaigning requires investigation. The evidence provided by JVL is of CAA challenging criticism of Israeli policies and conduct towards Palestinians. This is clearly political.

 

[nino_savatte]

Charity Commission drops inquiry into Campaign Against Antisemitism

Regulator drops investigation four years after claims of political partisanship were raised

www.theguardian.com

errrrm



my bold but bloody hell how incompetent is that?

It sounds like the CAA et al leaned on the Charity Commission. Alternatively, the Charity Commission is like other regulators in this country: useless. There's still a Green Party complaint against the CAA that hasn't been dealt with.

The complaint, made by Green Party home-affairs spokesman Shahrar Ali, accused the group of failing to be independent of party politics — a requirement under law for charities.

Mr Ali’s complaint centres on comments made by CAA’s head of political investigations, Joe Glasman, in a video published shortly after the 2019 election result.

Mr Glasman comments on Labour’s election defeat by saying that “the beast is slain,” also using the word “slaughtered.”

The bizarre video appears to show Mr Glasman admitting to co-ordinating a campaign using “spies and intel” against the party.

Mr Ali, a former deputy head of the Green Party, described the language used by Mr Glasman as “unconscionable.”