Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[hitmouse]

In this interview, Neil Kinnock gives an interesting commentary on Corbyn's parliamentary record and suitability for high office
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The idea of anyone inviting Kinnock to run his mouth about Corbyn is a fantastic example of centrism-as-ideology. Of course the Labour leader who got GE results ranging from 30.8-34.4% is well-placed to judge the leader who got results from 32.1-40%, because the guy with the 30.8-34.4% results was Sensible and Electable and the other guy wasn't.

Totally agree with Wilf and Rob's criticisms above as well of course, but christ just on its own terms the Sensible Centrist position is so rotten. Let's hear what Neil Kinnock has to say!

 

[redsquirrel]

What qualities are needed for a party leader? What would be a suitable combination of abilities and skills? List form please.

Already done Mad Paul Mason

 

[The39thStep]

Yeah, because Hatton and Co were such heroes. The left can often be their own worst enemies.

What did they do ?

 

[imposs1904]

I've never seen a urinal cake with as great a dearth of charm and charisma as shammer possesses

I think Starmer likes to be pissed on. How else do you explain his constant gaffes, toe-curling photo ops and habitual lying?

A urinal cake doesn't like to be pissed on. It's just a steady job for the urinal cake.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

What qualities are needed for a party leader? What would be a suitable combination of abilities and skills? List form please.

reasonably posh bloke in smart suit.

or at least that's what the reasonably posh blokes in smart suits want us to think...

 

[Wilf]

A urinal cake doesn't like to be pissed on. It's just a steady job for the urinal cacake.

Things they don't tell you in careers class.

 

[krtek a houby]

You know he's not the anti-christ on the basis the devil always has the best tunes. Whereas for shammer tunes are the sort of thing you have when you've got a cold

And a tomb for shammer when he's cold

 

[Pickman's model]

And a tomb for shammer when he's cold

When he's cold he can warm up by running away from the penguins

 

[krtek a houby]

When he's cold he can warm up by running away from the penguins

He's already away with the birds, that fella

 

[PR1Berske]

An update

 

[moochedit]

An update

Who?

 

[moochedit]

Has Corbyn confirmed he is running as an independent yet?

 

[Sue]

An update

(((Paul Mason)))

 

[Cerv]

Who?

First is an Islington councillor. Second the London Assembly member for NE.

Sadly neither an ex-Trotskyist campaigning journalist.

 

[The39thStep]

An update

Every time the hunter gets captured by the game

 

[hash tag]

No going back now Be interesting to see how JC reacts and what the outcome might be.

 

[two sheds]

and how much "expelled from the Labour party for antisemitism" will be thrown around

 

[Whagwan]

 

[Cerv]

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Dewey and Glanville are the only people in the photo who knew about his arrest at that point.

 

[andysays]

Not sure what the source is for this story, but seems the most substantial report yet of Corbyn's intention to stand as an independent

Corbyn expected to stand as independent candidate​

 

[kebabking]

Not sure what the source is for this story, but seems the most substantial report yet of Corbyn's intention to stand as an independent

Corbyn expected to stand as independent candidate​

TBH, I could have written that, and I know no one who knows him, or his political friends, or his family.

I expect him to stand as an indy - though I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.

 

[Dogsauce]

TBH, I could have written that, and I know no one who knows him, or his political friends, or his family.

I expect him to stand as an indy - though I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't.

Quite possible he’ll see the bigger picture and that him standing will create stories about division that benefit the vermin. He’s not someone with a massive ego so reckon he could go quietly, despite me wishing he would give Starmer a bloody nose.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Quite possible he’ll see the bigger picture and that him standing will create stories about division that benefit the vermin. He’s not someone with a massive ego so reckon he could go quietly, despite me wishing he would give Starmer a bloody nose.

dunno. if he doesn't stand, then the vermin and their friends in the media will make a story out of it anyway

 

[teqniq]

Here we go:

 

[Cerv]

a good day for the bookies.
I expect this will attract a fair amount of interest in betting either way on Corbyn to win or lose.

 

[PR1Berske]

Labour will now have to decide how to police those activists who ignore the official Labour candidate.

 

[redsquirrel]

I hope he fucking thrashes them. I'm no Corbynista but he's not a grade A cunt like Starmer.
He's naive, and his crude anti-imperialism has led him down some stupid, harmful paths at times. But he's stood on picket lines, fought for people and articulated a set of principles that is far in advance of 90% of the scum that inhabits Westminster.

 

[kebabking]

Labour will now have to decide how to police those activists who ignore the official Labour candidate.

They'll happily - gleefully - throw them out.

He'll win the constituency, but no one gives a fuck about that because he's the most rebellious MP in the history of the Labour party, so it's not as if the were hoping for his vote on legislation.

He's out of the LP, anyone who supports him is out of the LP, and he'll get to sit on the back benches.

The absolute living definition of a Pyrrhic victory - his personal success only brought about by the destruction of his 'wing' of the LP.

 

[Silas Loom]

They'll happily - gleefully - throw them out.

He'll win the constituency, but no one gives a fuck about that because he's the most rebellious MP in the history of the Labour party, so it's not as if the were hoping for his vote on legislation.

He's out of the LP, anyone who supports him is out of the LP, and he'll get to sit on the back benches.

The absolute living definition of a Pyrrhic victory - his personal success only brought about by the destruction of his 'wing' of the LP.

They can’t throw out people for failing to do stuff to support the official candidate, though. It’s only support for Corbyn that can be policed.

 

[redsquirrel]

The absolute living definition of a Pyrrhic victory - his personal success only brought about by the destruction of his 'wing' of the LP.

Absolute crap. Starmer has been purging his "wing" of the party since he elected leader.

The ridiculous treatment of Corbyn, Abbott etc is not just a terrible anti-worker right move of the LP that you appear to support - it's stupid on its own terms.
Keeping a small disempowered social democratic rump in the LP would convince at least some that the LP can be redeemed.
Starmer's tactics to expel and remove any vestige of social democracy from the party is not going to lead to the loss of tens of MPs but it provides the Greens with a base - and that base can grow.