Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[ska invita]

This actually appears to be the guy who Labour are putting up against Corbyn (really honestly this time lol). Heavily involved in private healthcare aaaand he he turned off replies to this tweet, I wonder why?

Looks to be a smug "entrepreneur" Councilor for Barnsbury, any reason to believe he's going to have a go for the Islington North seat? Looks like hes campaigning ahead of the locals

 

[teqniq]

Looks to be a smug "entrepreneur" Councilor for Barnsbury, any reason to believe he's going to have a go for the Islington North seat? Looks like hes campaigning ahead of the locals

Yeah maybe it's that.

 

[tommers]

I guess the reason he would stand rather than quitting, though, is that he seems to feel a duty to do the best for his local constituents

Crazy old bastard.

 

[Dogsauce]

Livingston won as an independent against Frank Dobson in the first London Mayoral election, and Galloway, despite being a lazy, sleazy cunt won twice again an official Labour parliamentary candidate. That article focuses on defectors from Labour. Corbyn has been kicked out and will play the martyr and I imagine that he'll do so successfully.

There’s also a fair chance that some Tories will back him just for the LOLs/chaos/embarrassment it might cause. A worthwhile bit of shit-stirring.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

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There’s also a fair chance that some Tories will back him just for the LOLs/chaos/embarrassment it might cause. A worthwhile bit of shit-stirring.

Tories are few and irrelevant. Same with libdums. This will be a straight fight for the voters who voted for corbyn/labour last time.

 

[scifisam]

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Tories are few and irrelevant. Same with libdums. This will be a straight fight for the voters who voted for corbyn/labour last time.

A lot of Greens in that area, but Corbyn would appeal to most of them too - him not being Labour any more might be a plus point.

 

[two sheds]

You'd think enough left wingers in the constituency that have resigned will be willing to canvas.

I fucking would.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You'd think enough left wingers in the constituency that have resigned will be willing to canvas.

I fucking would.

He won't have a shortage of volunteers. And that's a big reason why he'll win.

 

[MrSki]

After 40 years as being the local MP, I expect there are enough people he has actually helped to get him re-elected.

 

[kebabking]

I'm not getting why Corbyn winning as an Indy is forecast with so much glee..?

Corbyn would win the seat, no question.

Then what?

By standing against a Lab candidate - even if that Lab candidate never sets foot in the constituency, and not one leaflet is pushed through a door - he instantly ensures that the lefty slice of the Lab party will be purged.

Starmer won't be relying on his votes anyway - I'll remind you that he's still the most rebellious Lab MP in history, despite being it's leader for 5 years.

He'll sit on the backbenches, being Corbyn, with his dodgy views, and his dodgy friends, giving dodgy interviews to Russian and Iranian TV.

Corbyn is standard bearer for what is wrong with the left, not what is right about it. But, you know, cheer him on if you wish...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Yep, the left of the party had their chance; they're being schooled about exactly how they should have purged the right out of the party.

Absolutely, the only thing I ever found problematic about Corbyn was his utter lack of iron fist hatred.

 

[SpookyFrank]

By standing against a Lab candidate - even if that Lab candidate never sets foot in the constituency, and not one leaflet is pushed through a door - he instantly ensures that the lefty slice of the Lab party will be purged.

But purging the entire left is already Starmer's core project. Corbyn can't change that one way or the other.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I do like the idea that Starmer would have to decide whether to run a disposable patsy or a heavy-hitter who actually stood a chance.

Closest thing he's got to a heavy hitter is Mike Gapes falling out of a boat.

 

[Idris2002]

But purging the entire left is already Starmer's core project. Corbyn can't change that one way or the other.

And once the left is purged. . . what then? The Guardian reading classes would like nothing better than to have a UK version of the US GOP/Dems split. . . but that can't be replicated in the UK context, because there remains an historical experience (and an historical memory) of independent working class action leading to victory. I know that makes me sound like a Trot, but it is a big, big difference between the UK and US. The Democratic party in the latter country could decline to its current degenerate form and still retain a grip on the political consciousness of millions, and on their votes, because there was never any history of any rival alternative. Starmer's labour will degenerate alright, but will it still keep that sort of grip on the old labour-voting millions? And if it doesn't. . . what then?

 

[tommers]

Instantly ensures that the lefty slice of the Lab party will be purged.

Oh shit. That sounds bad.

 

[Pickman's model]

By standing against a Lab candidate - even if that Lab candidate never sets foot in the constituency, and not one leaflet is pushed through a door - he instantly ensures that the lefty slice of the Lab party will be purged.

no he doesn't.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I guess the reason he would stand rather than quitting, though, is that he seems to feel a duty to do the best for his local constituents.... rather than because he has any illusion that it would somehow improve the labour party or be the start of some national movement.

Yes. I imagine he is a bit torn. On the one hand it is perhaps against his principles to run against labour, but on the other he appears to be deeply and quite genuinely inbedded into his community and would not want to desert them. I don't doubt though that he would continue to help out in the community and campaign even if he wasn't a councillor and perhaps that would be the easiest route his conscience could take him. He doesn't strike me as someone who would do an "I'll show those bastards!!".

Shame in a way. I'd quite like to see a new party. I don't feel comfortable voting labour anymore, but what else is there to vote for? I'd rather vote for what is right and know I put my vote in the right place with confidence. . . but it would take decades for a new party to break through.

 

[Idris2002]

He won't have a shortage of volunteers. And that's a big reason why he'll win.

A key question there is what percentage of those volunteers will consist of loopers, loo-lahs, head-the-balls and general simps, feebs and three-time losers.

 

[Rob Ray]

If the remaining left of the party has any sense at all it'll ignore a Corbyn run entirely, and rely on those already ousted to provide his organisational capacity. There's plenty there for one constituency. A voice able to slag Starkers from the left could have a use for them if he's in power - able to say stuff that'd get them canned.

 

[two sheds]

A key question there is what percentage of those volunteers will consist of loopers, loo-lahs, head-the-balls and general simps, feebs and three-time losers.

as opposed to the totally sane right wing winners who'll be campaigning for starmer's candidate?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Oh shit. That sounds bad.

Hard to imagine isn't it?

 

[sleaterkinney]

And once the left is purged. . . what then? The Guardian reading classes would like nothing better than to have a UK version of the US GOP/Dems split. . . but that can't be replicated in the UK context, because there remains an historical experience (and an historical memory) of independent working class action leading to victory.

Which victory is this?. Did the left bring it about?.

I don't think Starmer wanted to kick him out, but once he moaned about the enquiry there was no other option.
It's now much more valuable because he can point to a clear split between him and Corbyn.

 

[Idris2002]

Which victory is this?. Did the left bring it about?.

Have you heard of something called the National Health Service?

 

[two sheds]

One of the core Corbyn policies to go some way to reinstating the post-war social contract.

 

[The39thStep]

But purging the entire left is already Starmer's core project. Corbyn can't change that one way or the other.

Starmer and his backers won't purge the 'entire left' or what passes for the left in the Labour Party simply because many of them will toe the line. For them, the Labour Party is the world, the only show in town.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Have you heard of something called the National Health Service?

That was about 75 years ago, at the end of a world war.

 

[Pickman's model]

Which victory is this?. Did the left bring it about?.

I don't think Starmer wanted to kick him out, but once he moaned about the enquiry there was no other option.
It's now much more valuable because he can point to a clear split between him and Corbyn.

he didn't 'moan about the enquiry', he said - and tbh rightly so - that the issue had been vastly inflated for political purposes. as it was. and as it still is, when you see the number of jewish people who've been kicked out of the labour party for er anti-semitism

e2a and he's always been able to point to a clear split between him and corbyn, corbyn has some principles - whatever you may think of them - and shammer doesn't

 

[skyscraper101]

he didn't 'moan about the enquiry', he said - and tbh rightly so - that the issue had been vastly inflated for political purposes. as it was. and as it still is, when you see the number of jewish people who've been kicked out of the labour party for er anti-semitism

Yet it's exactly that kind of statement which exemplifies why he was never going to win power.

Because instead of just acknowledging the Equality and Human Rights Commission's investigation findings of "political interference in antisemitism complaints" and a "failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints", he just chose not to not acknowledge it, gives yet another generic "anti-Semitism is wrong" line, and then says the issue was "dramatically overstated" - its classic Corbyn fuel on the fire stuff which demonstrates exactly how shit he is at dealing with the media.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yet it's exactly that kind of statement which exemplifies why he was never going to win power.

Because instead of just acknowledging the Equality and Human Rights Commission's investigation findings of "political interference in antisemitism complaints" and a "failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints", he just chose not to not acknowledge it, gives yet another generic "anti-Semitism is wrong" line, and then says the issue was "dramatically overstated" - its classic Corbyn fuel on the fire stuff which demonstrates exactly how shit he is at dealing with the media

well that's not really a good summary of what he said as a look at contemporary reports shows.

 

[skyscraper101]

well that's not really a good summary of what he said as a look at contemporary reports shows.

What contemporary reports? I'm referencing what the BBC reported here

The report was published at 10:00 GMT on Thursday. Around 30 minutes later, Mr Corbyn put out a statement.
He said anti-Semitism was "absolutely abhorrent" and "one anti-Semite is one too many" in the party.
But he then said: "The scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media."