Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Shit I’m in too deep already. So far the anarchist ‘scene’ has bought me nothing but alienation and marginalisation. I feel socially cleansed. I’m resigning!
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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Shit I’m in too deep already. So far the anarchist ‘scene’ has bought me nothing but alienation and marginalisation. I feel socially cleansed. I’m resigning!
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Just take a breath, put the kettle on and make a nice pot of yerba mate - it’ll be fine.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Just take a breath, put the kettle on and make a nice pot of yerba mate - it’ll be fine.
Thanks but tbh the scene has got stale and cliquey, not like in the good old days when I first joined about 10 minutes ago. It was so vibrant and exciting back then you know sighs
8ball
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
And there’s already another designated thread for that Corbyn The Barbarian: Documenting the Brutality of a Monster.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Of those councils of course, although even then the chief villains were still the Tories who imposed austerity budgets on them. But Corbyn did oppose social cleansing and developed good policies to prevent it. What else could he have done?
Supine
Newt Member
I presume it’s because councils had to balance the books having been given conservative government funding cuts. Just s guess.
For all the talk of factionalism, the left faction was very poorly mobilised on a local level, outside a few councils. We had the numbers, but no strategy or direction.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I wouldn't honestly profess to know exactly what he could have done to stop councils led by his party enabling and collaborating with the corporate developers, but maybe it was one area where he should/could have been far more ruthless against factions of the party that worked against the interest of working class people?
Maybe he/his faction should have forced through party rule changes that proscribed such neoliberal behaviour from party members? Then these bent right-wing LP councillors could have chosen to carry on their tory policies as independents.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
There are shitloads of questions such as this that are perfectly valid and various have been gone through over the last thousand pages.
Part of the problem was Corbyn’s belief in following democratic process. Part of it’s his awareness of the fact that the machine was so massively against him, which made it difficult to sort out every issue at once.
And there are questions around the balance between building a movement that can carry a fight within the working class and letting that movement become led into a dead end of fighting expulsions and defending the last of any minor gains.
Lots and lots of good, valid, questions, but a tad too nuanced for some.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Beyond those who joined momentum, the overwhelming majority of those who voted for him disagreed on loads of issues and over candidates/counsellors. And there’s the fact that getting involved in the party, for the majority of the time, was just fucking boring.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Yes, it is. He had no strategy to take control of the Party. Internal reform, eg. open mandatory reselection for MPs and Cllrs, should have been a priority, but was allowed to spin out for years. There was a proposal for council Labour Group leaders to be elected by party members, but he allowed this to be parked. Ultimately, too conflict averse. But a willingness to embrace conflict is part of the CV of any true socialist leader.
So many excuses for a bourgeois, liberal politician. Glad I'm fuck all to do with what passes for 'the left' anymore.
Corbyn would have been much like Wilson or Callaghan in power but probably not as left wing.
Corbyn would have been much like Wilson or Callaghan in power but probably not as left wing.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Ultimately it didn't work did it so there are bound to be plenty of legitimate questions and criticisms as to why that is. As he never expected to be elected I don't think he really had a plan and he didn't have the political nous or ruthlessness to really take control of the party - I don't really blame him for that to be honest, I doubt many people would but it's still an opportunity missed.
I have to admit though I do find the whole 'I always knew the whole thing was pointless' view on here a bit dispiriting to be honest (not from AA who I assume to be a parody account but from others). Even though I always suspected they were right. It was a little glimpse of something at least for a bit there and there aren't many of those to go on really.
I have to admit though I do find the whole 'I always knew the whole thing was pointless' view on here a bit dispiriting to be honest (not from AA who I assume to be a parody account but from others). Even though I always suspected they were right. It was a little glimpse of something at least for a bit there and there aren't many of those to go on really.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Bro, do you even anarchism?
And lo, the Jezziah did enter unto Jerusalem. And yea verily, he rode on the ass of Labour, and beside him ran the foal of deceived youth, and the multitude did prostrate themselves before the Jezziah and did kiss his feet and did touch the hem of his garment and sang his praises most highly. Yet indeed the prophet Anarchiah did rise up from their seat and did curse this sight and did cry out this be an abomination and with great lamentation did admonish and did say, o foolish ones, beware of false prophets!!
and you're mistakenI think you need to go and lie down for a while
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Gaslighting is wrong and its unpleasant.I think you need to go and lie down for a while
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Am I the only one who thinks this kind of thing doesn't have to be some rigidly dogmatic either/or position?
Especially since neither reform nor revolution seem to be on the cards right now. Whether it appeals to our ideological sensibilities or not, the electoral system is part of the decision making process in this country, and thus it seems foolish to me to try and dismiss it as completely irrelevant. But I also agree that electoralism isn't good enough by itself, bound as it is by the conventions and expectations of bourgeois democracy.
Given the left's lack of cultural and political clout, these kind of spats put me in mind of two bald men fighting over a comb.
Especially since neither reform nor revolution seem to be on the cards right now. Whether it appeals to our ideological sensibilities or not, the electoral system is part of the decision making process in this country, and thus it seems foolish to me to try and dismiss it as completely irrelevant. But I also agree that electoralism isn't good enough by itself, bound as it is by the conventions and expectations of bourgeois democracy.
Given the left's lack of cultural and political clout, these kind of spats put me in mind of two bald men fighting over a comb.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're making a number of unwarranted assumptions about the comb and its purpose, it may be a gift for a hirsute third party
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I read this and thought maybe I'd said something that was somehow gaslighting, but then realised I'd been had by a double-bluff.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
Over on the Urban Anarcho-Anarchistis group PM they're calling you splitters.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Anarchistises of the world unite!
Supine
Newt Member
I prefer the Urban Anarcho-Anarchistis Official group, but I don’t think your a member.
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