That's after the boarding. They show that (assassination?) list of activists captured from the soldier 2:20 in.
Israel. The real reason for the attack
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That's after the boarding. They show that (assassination?) list of activists captured from the soldier 2:20 in.
I've said exactly what I really think in quite some detail both here and on the other thread.
You can go and look it up if you want.
I certainly can't be arsed to trawl through it to re-post.
But needless to say, my posts do not in any way reflect this utter garbage from your post above:
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I have and essentially you see no motive in Israel sending armed commandos onto a ship under a foreign flag in international waters and killing unarmed citizens. They just did it for no apparent reason and to suggest they had a reason for their actions is dismissed as conspiracy theory.
I have and essentially you see no motive in Israel sending armed commandos onto a ship under a foreign flag in international waters and killing unarmed citizens. They just did it for no apparent reason and to suggest they had a reason for their actions is dismissed as conspiracy theory.
No, they did it for a variety of reasons, most of them pretty obvious, none of which require any kind of conspiracy theory to explain them.
To try and design one to fit the facts is pure mental masturbation.
The fact that you are using such compromised sources to establish your case should indicate to you that you are firmly in incipient conspiraloonery territory.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
ok did they send armed commandos to board the ships of foreign flags on international waters?
Was that a decision made by the Israeli government?
Or did some IDF soldiers just feel like dropping in?
and much as dislike the Israeli press, I wouldn't call them "compromised sources" (as opposed to your zero sources)
Your a naive idiot by the way.
Did they plan to send commandos to intercept the ships? Yes.
Was it part of a pre-planned strategy to kill? No.
Simple.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Haneen Zoubi
I will take the words of a heroic Palestinian member of the Knesset who was there over yours any day
dylans
overlord of all acorns
You sit safely at home and call this woman stupid?
A woman who is facing the loss of her citizenship and imprisonment. A woman who as we discuss this is under round the clock protection because of death threats. A woman who was there. A woman who saw people killed in front of her.
Ok
I'm coming round to the view that 8 of the 9 deaths were the result of a plan to execute a number of activists. Robert Fisk's analysis of an indisciplined rabble army shouldn't extend to an elite commando squad.
The raid was still bungled - they surely weren't planning on getting beaten up and dragged off while the world watched. However it's pretty clear from the forensics that lethal force was not used in self defense or to free captives.
The raid was still bungled - they surely weren't planning on getting beaten up and dragged off while the world watched. However it's pretty clear from the forensics that lethal force was not used in self defense or to free captives.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It should be remembered too that there are still some passengers missing and unaccounted for. 3 I believe.
There are some reports that there were wounded passengers thrown into the sea...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Only if you accept that a state will always take the easiest path and act illegally. If you don't, then what they did wasn't at all "obvious".
No one has said that a conspiracy theory is required. All that's been suggested is that conspiracy theory/ies have some utility in explaining what happened.
It's not that hard to distinguish between the two positions, if you put your mind to it.
Actually, I believe it's what's commonly known as "speculation", but if you get off on talking about masturbation...
How compromised are his sources?
I suspect you've taken kyser's mention of globalresearch and have run with and embellished it so that in your mind it signifies the same kind of loonspuddery as prisonplanet. It doesn't.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Are you naive, or just incredibly ignorant?
"Shoot-to-kill" is part and parcel of military engagements. To presume that there could not have been a pre-formulated strategy to execute/assassinate/murder either specific activists or even just some activists in general runs counter to previous Israeli policy and to the widespread use (everywhere) of military personnel for policy ends.
You said it!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Quite. Special forces are an entirely different proposition to the cannon fodder provided by conscription. These are soldiers who spend the majority of their non-active time training in the basics of their role or learning new skills.
The raid would have gone far better without the airborne element. Inserting troops by helicopter may look cool on camera (and I suspect that this is partly why it was done alongside the seaborne insertion), but when dropping onto a moving surface you're disadvantaged by the fact that you have to give close attention to where and how to land, giving the supposedly sheep-like peaceniks a VERY easy target to overwhelm.
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