Is this woman a transphobe?

[Orang Utan]

Wiedersehen.

Twat

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm leaving Urban again for a while. Sometimes you are in a shit place in your life and then something like this really doesn't help. I stayed out of the more contentious discussions here and you still are countered with nothing but bad faith. Auf Wiedersehen !

Ah at least stay for films n that?

 

[glitch hiker]

No problem.

What a reactionary cunt you are

 

[IC3D]

Slow hand clap

 

[Cid]

I'm leaving Urban again for a while. Sometimes you are in a shit place in your life and then something like this really doesn't help. I stayed out of the more contentious discussions here and you still are countered with nothing but bad faith. Auf Wiedersehen !

Yeah likewise. At least I've already technically been off about a week... I dunno, been here half my life, more or less. But sometimes it's just hard not to take shit to heart, and it's been nice not mulling over some stupid argument or other. As you say, too much bad faith, or I suppose assumptions of it. Too much jerking of knees. But I did keep a vague eye on this thread, and felt I wanted to pop back and say that the last 3/4 pages (give or take a few posts) are really how this place can work when it's at its best. More patience, good explanations, honest questions.

But yeah, think that's about it for me... For the time being anyway. Adieu, 再见 etc.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would second it. Delusions of Gender is a masterwork.

That also happens to be very funny in places.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes. Whatever the issues being discussed here, whichever 'side' you are on, 'use the disabled toilets' is not the answer. If nothing else, depending on conditions, disabled people might be less able to wait for the toilet.

Plus every fucker & his uncle uses accessible toilets already, for shagging, shooting up, or shitting. It makes life difficult for those of us who ARE actually disabled.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I try to stay out of the trans discussions because who needs another male voice on this?

Since the discussion has temporarily turned to the question of how people become radicalised and divided, however, I would like to make an observation. My “uh-oh” moment, when I could see that a massive culture war on this was coming (rather than it just being something played out in various niches) was when a transwoman (sorry, the name escapes me) became Womens’ Officer at Goldsmiths university and took it as an immediate priority to redefine membership to legislate a belief in “trans women are women” as inherent to being a woman and thus part of who the Womens’ Officer was representing. That was one of the early moments that cis women who had previously largely been oblivious to the arguments started asking, “who the fuck are you to tell me if I’m a woman?” Maybe it’s just my perception, but that seemed to represent the spearhead of a whole new phase of rather nastier rhetoric that divided two sides that should have had much to unify them.

Lily Madigan was the W/O at Goldsmiths that you're trying to recall.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...And the London Anarchist Book Fair.

Apologies, but that made me laugh.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Jesus fucking Christ

Was a false messiah.

 

[Raheem]

I try to stay out of the trans discussions because who needs another male voice on this?

Since the discussion has temporarily turned to the question of how people become radicalised and divided, however, I would like to make an observation. My “uh-oh” moment, when I could see that a massive culture war on this was coming (rather than it just being something played out in various niches) was when a transwoman (sorry, the name escapes me) became Womens’ Officer at Goldsmiths university and took it as an immediate priority to redefine membership to legislate a belief in “trans women are women” as inherent to being a woman and thus part of who the Womens’ Officer was representing. That was one of the early moments that cis women who had previously largely been oblivious to the arguments started asking, “who the fuck are you to tell me if I’m a woman?” Maybe it’s just my perception, but that seemed to represent the spearhead of a whole new phase of rather nastier rhetoric that divided two sides that should have had much to unify them.

So a trans woman was elected women's officer, and then had the temerity to insist that the position of women's officer should be trans-inclusive?

 

[ViolentPanda]

trans people are the real oppressors

No, you are. People on the Matrix keep saying "cat'sbum is the noo Agent Smith". You're "the man", man.

 

[kabbes]

So a trans woman was elected women's officer, and then had the temerity to insist that the position of women's officer should be trans-inclusive?

Err, no

 

[Raheem]

Err, no

Well, that's how you made it sound.

 

[kabbes]

Well, that's how you made it sound.

No it’s not

 

[kabbes]

This is how I made it sound:

My memory of it, which was years ago now so apologies if it’s not completely accurate, is that in an attempt to enshrine “twaw” as necessary doctrine, she defined “women” in a way that left a lot of women on these boards feeling that they were excluded from the definition.

 

[Looby]

Do we really have to do this again? It’s like someone reading an old Hello and discovering Brad cheated on Jen.

 

[Raheem]

I must have misheard, then.

 

[Humberto]

Was a false messiah.

Better than most

 

[ViolentPanda]

Twat

Fuck off, you sententious little prig.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What a reactionary cunt you are

What a humourless wankshaft you are.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do we really have to do this again? It’s like someone reading an old Hello and discovering Brad cheated on Jen.

Is this a confession that you read "Hello"? Can I start stacking up the kindling around the stake?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Better than most

Perhaps. It's hard to tell, as history doesn't tell us much about other false messiahs, & what we know about Jesus was mostly written at least a generation after his execution.

 

[Humberto]

Perhaps. It's hard to tell, as history doesn't tell us much about other false messiahs, & what we know about Jesus was mostly written at least a generation after his execution.

In terms of impact fame/notoriety though. There was a lot of it around during the Roman occupation of ancient Palestine as I'm sure you know.

Anyway, it was a curt attempt at humour.

 

[l'Otters]

I'm leaving Urban again for a while. Sometimes you are in a shit place in your life and then something like this really doesn't help. I stayed out of the more contentious discussions here and you still are countered with nothing but bad faith. Auf Wiedersehen !

Sad to read this, have appreciated your contributions. Hope to be around when you return, and hope you encouter less of this kind of crap too.

 

[l'Otters]

What a humourless wankshaft you are.

why don't you go and take your shit out on people somewhere else

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Do we really have to do this again? It’s like someone reading an old Hello and discovering Brad cheated on Jen.

Now there's a tragedy I actually remember from
the first time around

 

[Athos]

Lily Madigan was the W/O at Goldsmiths that you're trying to recall.

I think you might be conflating different things. Don't think she's the person to whom kabbes was referring. (Also, not sure that he's got the detail right about what happened.)

 

[belboid]

Lily Madigan was the W/O at Goldsmiths that you're trying to recall.

No she wasn't, that's an entirely different trans woman. I'm sure they all look alike to bigots like you, but they are loads of them!

But you carry on with your little celebration for driving a gay man away, I bet you're really proud of that, probably your biggest success in years.

 

[belboid]

I try to stay out of the trans discussions because who needs another male voice on this?

Since the discussion has temporarily turned to the question of how people become radicalised and divided, however, I would like to make an observation. My “uh-oh” moment, when I could see that a massive culture war on this was coming (rather than it just being something played out in various niches) was when a transwoman (sorry, the name escapes me) became Womens’ Officer at Goldsmiths university and took it as an immediate priority to redefine membership to legislate a belief in “trans women are women” as inherent to being a woman and thus part of who the Womens’ Officer was representing. That was one of the early moments that cis women who had previously largely been oblivious to the arguments started asking, “who the fuck are you to tell me if I’m a woman?” Maybe it’s just my perception, but that seemed to represent the spearhead of a whole new phase of rather nastier rhetoric that divided two sides that should have had much to unify them.

and this is completely fictitious too. As in 100% untrue.