Is Reading Marx Necessary?

[Magnus McGinty]

I hear it is not very fashionable in Eastern Europe .... the old Marxism that is

You mean Marxist-Leninism?

 

[Ralph Llama]

*yawn
how interesting please continue

 

[Magnus McGinty]

*yawn
how interesting please continue

That was what you meant.

 

[Ralph Llama]

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Read some Marx. Chomsky is a twat.

 

[Ralph Llama]

I have read das capital .. it`s quite good but not essential in this day and age.


Chomsky is ace

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I have read das capital .. it`s quite good but not essential in this day and age.


Chomsky is ace

How does Chomsky improve on Capital? In fact how does any of his middle class sojourns aid proles more than Marx writings has?

 

[Ralph Llama]

Loads.

A: He is still alive(just)

B: He has inspired and been involved in direct action all his life.

C: He understands contemporary threats , like the PR industry.

 

[butchersapron]

I have read das capital .. it`s quite good but not essential in this day and age.


Chomsky is ace

Uh huh

 

[Fozzie Bear]

This is such a crock of shit, come on people .

Toast Rider just give it a go, I really enjoyed reading Marx personally.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Ralph Llama is on the wind-up I think.

 

[Toast Rider]

This is such a crock of shit, come on people .

Toast Rider just give it a go, I really enjoyed reading Marx personally.

I will, just got to find a cheap copy of whatever is the easiest book to read

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I will, just got to find a cheap copy of whatever is the easiest book to read

Wicked. There are a bunch online at marxists.org but to be honest your local library should be able to help too.

If you go for Capital, don't read all the intros and forewords. I did that about 15 years ago and fell asleep. Do check the David Harvey vids though.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Sorry, yes Toast Rider it is worth reading and is a very comprehensive study of Capitalism that will probably surprise you.

its Friday night

 

[Toast Rider]

Sorry, yes Toast Rider it is worth reading and is a very comprehensive study of Capitalism that will probably surprise you.

its Friday night

is that significant?

"oh yes it's Engels night, oh what a night"

 

[Toast Rider]

Wicked. There are a bunch online at marxists.org but to be honest your local library should be able to help too.

If you go for Capital, don't read all the intros and forewords. I did that about 15 years ago and fell asleep. Do check the David Harvey vids though.

It's more a case of reading stuff that explains how his ideas are true in the world.

 

[Ralph Llama]

I try to stay moderated.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

It's more a case of reading stuff that explains how his ideas are true in the world.

Well what's good about Capital is that he starts with very simple ideas and then builds up from there, so you can jump off when you like... and again, David Harvey (I'm not on commission!) does explain in his interviews on Youtube and books like "Seventeen Contradictions of Capitalism" why Marx is still relevant.

 

[seventh bullet]

I hear it is not very fashionable in Eastern Europe .... the old Marxism that is

Marxism-Leninism, derivations of which had been adopted in varying circumstances as the guiding state-socialist ideologies of countries you've been bigging up.

 

[Toast Rider]

Well what's good about Capital is that he starts with very simple ideas and then builds up from there, so you can jump off when you like... and again, David Harvey (I'm not on commission!) does explain in his interviews on Youtube and books like "Seventeen Contradictions of Capitalism" why Marx is still relevant.

yes i'm aware of David Harvey, peole have mentioned him. I just need a spare hour or three to get into it

 

[Ralph Llama]

Marxism-Leninism, derivations of which had been adopted in varying circumstances as the guiding state-socialist ideologies of countries you've been bigging up.

I was arguing that revolutionary movements are a lot more spontaneous and intuitive ... take the Horizontalidad movement, there may have been groups battling the state before the revolution, but when it popped people took to organizing horizontally out of instinct.

Also, people had these notions before Marx. Many fairer societies have been achieved.

 

[tim]

Is it one of the branches threatened with closure?

 

[Ralph Llama]

Yer. The Reading Broad St. branch apparently.

 

[seventh bullet]

I was arguing that revolutionary movements are a lot more spontaneous and intuitive ... take the Horizontalidad movement, there may have been groups battling the state before the revolution, but when it popped people took to organizing horizontally out of instinct.

Also, people had these notions before Marx. Many fairer societies have been achieved.

You were talking about societies ruled by governments using adaptations of the very political and ideological formulations you have said you're against elswhere.

 

[Ralph Llama]

Cuba and Yugoslavia yes, but are you seriously suggesting that without Das Capital revolutions of a socialist nature would not be taking place?

 

[seventh bullet]

And Yugoslavia.

Where have I said anything of the sort?

I have merely been pointing out to you where you have been contradicting yourself.

It's embarrassing.

 

[Ralph Llama]

I said Yugoslavia

Anyway revolutions work better ye old anarchist way. Marx`s transitional periods can spin on it.

 

[Ralph Llama]

It's embarrassing.

No. You and the rest of your arrogant tosser, ineffective fucking communists are embarrassing.

Anarchists : Shall we have a revolution

Commie: No we need a transitional period.

over and over again.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

2/10

 

[butchersapron]

Go back to yugoslavia commie.