Which is why i would recommend Chomsky over the outdated and sullied Karl Marks. Better contemporary analysis IMO.
Is Reading Marx Necessary?
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Sure, but we're not getting to why you consider Marx is 'sullied' or whatever
Fozzie Bear
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The first few chapters of Capital are awesome and everyone should read them.
If you want to know why Ralph Llama's anti-intellectual spiritualism is rubbish then The German Ideology is quite good too.
Oh very clever
But Marx (along with an American carpet bombing) was inspiration for Pol Pot ? Anti-intellectualism is not the same as healthy criticism of ideals that have justified the deaths of a lot of people... and the derailing of several healthy revolutions.I am arguing that the Yugoslavian State, Cuba and the Bolivarian revolution, as well as contemporary socialist movements where inspired by the conditions people live in and their reactions to that and not by some crap written down in a book.
I am arguing against the idea of leadership and political parties being very little to do with the continuation of the revolution.
IMO all they do is take the credit and reinforce the imperialist/elitist notion that people need to be led.
The real changes I think come from something like common sense. That is;
A human born into the world expects (probably through genetics) certain essential factors in the world they exist within- Community- Land - Culture etc.
When these factors do not appear, people are likely to struggle to address the issues.
IMO
Marx claimed he was not and idealist, but his book created idealism. I am pretty sure if he was here now he would advocate contemporary analysis, which is less effected by the idealism's that people have been imposed upon it.
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LDC
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I took you off ignore after I saw you mentioned, and you never fail to disappoint for hilarious Rage Against the Machine-esque political opinions.
butchersapron
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He's an even shitter would be howard marks. Who it really isn't necessary to read.I took you off ignore after I saw you mentioned, and you never fail to disappoint for hilarious Rage Against the Machine-esque political opinions.
Yes, zaphod, you went to a rave and that before.
butchersapron
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It is necessary to read marx to agree with him or to understand/articulate the critique of the capitalist mode of production that he outlined (or to disagree with it). Whether that's the same as saying you just agree with the leftist understanding of capitalism i'm not sure. I tend to to think not. I think that latter understanding is basically saying this is shit. Which, of course, you don't need to have read marx to come to.
butchersapron
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Capitalism doesn't have a foreign policy. States and aggregation of states do. And often they are the place where the territorial logic of states is most in conflict with the economic logic of capital.
This is Chomsky whose been defending the actions of the russian military in syria btw and implicitly arguing the right to resist dictators doesn't exit once the state opposes you and invites other states to bomb you for opposing them - that's his current intervention on foreign policy. And you mentioned 'sullied'?
Why am i bothering with this time-waster?
butchersapron
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Of course, if you don't read marx you may end up thinking capitalism is just what the US does and end up in some shitty anti-imperialist anti-capitalist foxhole with red-brown cunts.
Baronage-Phase
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So a capitalist state has a foreign policy you bell-end.
Why are you bothering ?
*hands crayons and my little pony coloring book
Yer ...so whats the plus?
butchersapron
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In what way then does capitalism have a foreign policy? And so what use is directing someone to how and individual state acts in any way useful?
Say something for once in this forum. You're not trying to impress kids at some shit rave anymore.
Capitalist states such as America have an aggressive foreign policy driven by private interests. War is profitable.
Capitalism doesn’t have borders. Even some of the left like one aspect of it (free movement of labour within the EU) and champion it as progressive.
Oh. Yer... its that idealism thing again.
Sorry, are you talking about the ideal of capitalism, or the reality of it?
Yer... its that idealism thing again.Sorry, are you talking about the ideal of capitalism, or the reality of it?
Oh.
WTF! It’s you making arguments against Materialism.
ETA: actually you’re not. I’m not sure you know what you’re arguing against.
Supine
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Don’t bother with Marx. His writing has been around for years and has had no discernible affect on capitalism. If anti capitalists want change they need a new writer who can explain how a proposed alternative system is better than capitalism. Until there is a proposal to rally around it’s just a niche political idea that few people are interested in.
This proves you haven’t read Marx.
Magnus McGinty are you talking about how things are now or an ideal?
Do you know what idealism is given you’ve just used that word?
Supine
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No - you’re correct
And last time I tried to visit his grave they were charging an entrance fee to get in which piss d me off.
JimW
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Yeah, and chuck out the Newton and Darwin too; if it's not written on Instagram it's all just dusty nothing.
Seriously, you're better with a sound analysis of the problem and being left to find the response of your own time and situation than some guru setting it all out for you.
No - you’re correct
And last time I tried to visit his grave they were charging an entrance fee to get in which piss d me off.
Great critique then
Like Marx?
butchersapron
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Point proved. Ta zaphod.
Supine
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butchersapron
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This person is even worse. This is drivel. At least this wiggum is on the right side.
Including all those people that split the planet ideologically for the majority of the 20th century. Yeah. Niche.
I hear it is not very fashionable in Eastern Europe .... the old Marxism that is
