Is obesity a disability?

[Shippou-Sensei]

A certain percentage of people are serial killers; a certain percentage of people have brown hair; a certain percentage of people are the queen.

A certain percentage = almost entirely meaningless.

This obviously means you are calling the Queen fat.


And a serial killer. But then we have all seen her killing teens wearing a jump suit and a patrick stewart mask painted white.

 

[ViolentPanda]

A certain % of people are greedy and lazy.

Which still doesn't support your thoroughly shit contention.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

A certain % of people are greedy and lazy.

A certain % of people post ill considered uniformed content on internet forums.

Well done Johnny and Utopia; being both lazy in your research and greedy in your need for attention I think you're skewing your made up stats.

Cheers - Louis (hopefully neither greedy not lazy) MacNeice

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

This obviously means you are calling the Queen fat.


And a serial killer. But then we have all seen her killing teens wearing a jump suit and a patrick stewart mask painted white.

Obviously the queen isn't a serial killer.

She has lizard-minions to do that sort of stuff for her.

 

[killer b]

Vodka and Utopia. A tag team of worthless cunts.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

A certain % of people post ill considered uniformed content on internet forums.

Well done Johnny and Utopia; being both lazy in your research and greedy in your need for attention I think you're skewing your made up stats.

Cheers - Louis (hopefully neither greedy not lazy) MacNeice

There are a whole number of reasons people are obese - from completely out of their control to completely their fault. Are we not allowed to consider that some people can be greedy or lazy and that can contribute to their own issues? Greedy or lazy is something we've probably all been at one time or another, just some folk are better at it than others....

 

[belboid]

There are a whole number of reasons people are obese - from completely out of their control to completely their fault. Are we not allowed to consider that some people can be greedy or lazy and that can contribute to their own issues? Greedy or lazy is something we've probably all been at one time or another, just some folk are better at it than others....

Even if we accept that, so what? How does this affect the topic actually under discussion. It sounds awfully like an excuse to simply go 'fuck them.'

And i assume you are similarly dismissive of all other 'self-inflicted' disabilities. Thus, anyone who injures themselves skiing, loses their hearing by playing with fireworks, or loses their sight from excessive masturbation, also deserve no support.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Even if we accept that, so what? How does this affect the topic actually under discussion. It sounds awfully like an excuse to simply go 'fuck them.'

And i assume you are similarly dismissive of all other 'self-inflicted' disabilities. Thus, anyone who injures themselves skiing, loses their hearing by playing with fireworks, or loses their sight from excessive masturbation, also deserve no support.

Society needs a thought out approach to obesity - the percentage of obese people in society can't get bigger and bigger. AFAIK obesity is set to become the biggest cost to the NHS. It is something under most people's control (perhaps with a little help), so I'm not sure it's the same as traditional disabilities. Comparing obesity to sports injuries is bizarre, given that people who play sports/exercise are more likely to be healthier than those who don't (and in bottom line terms cost the NHS less).

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yes 100 mg a day is massive. It had to be....my immune system was attacking every muscle in my body. I lost the ability to walk...couldn't lift my arms. .couldnt do anything...at all.
As for calorific intake..I rigidly stuck to that. I also had a therapeutic exercise program which included cycling for 45 minutes..walking for 45 mins...floor exercises, weights and resistance work to help rebuild damaged muscle tissue.
I ate fewer calories than I used up...every day and still put on fat...not just weight and muscle. My waist grew. There was fat on my neck and back that was never there before.

I don't know where you get your theory from but modern medicine (not some flake at a gym) has a greater insight into the subject of energy and how the body metabolises fats. One size does not fit all believe it or not.

The 'buffalo hump' is a well recognised adverse effect of steroid therapy. Not seen so much now, because dosages are lower.

Are you feeling better now? It must have been terrifying at the time. The auto-immune syndromes are extraordinarily difficult to treat, and in a lot of cases still not properly understood. Medicine has made great advances, but still has a long way to go.

 

[belboid]

Society needs a thought out approach to obesity - the percentage of obese people in society can't get bigger and bigger. AFAIK obesity is set to become the biggest cost to the NHS. It is something under most people's control (perhaps with a little help), so I'm not sure it's the same as traditional disabilities. Comparing obesity to sports injuries is bizarre, given that people who play sports/exercise are more likely to be healthier than those who don't (and in bottom line terms cost the NHS less).

impressive, I've rarely seen goalposts move so fast

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Do you have the same fuck you attitude to drug addicts, alcoholics and so on, Johnny Vodka?

 

[Citizen66]

A certain % of people are greedy and lazy.

Do you ever utter anything remotely insightful?

 

[killer b]

Why would he? His only purpose in posting here is to wind people up.

 

[Citizen66]

It wouldn't be so bad if he was occasionally funny.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i looked at the amount of pages and thought, oh this thread has kicked off. i wonder who is being a dick. i will investigate.

once again it's johnny vodka.

why is it always johnny vodka? were his parents dickheads and he was homeschooled in dickheadery? was he sent to one of those modern academies that specialises in churning out business students or it bods, except his was into churning out dickheads? is there some place in the uk where you can grow up completely isolated from all the types of human experience that you need to mingle with in order to become a rounded, empathic human being and that's where he's from? has he had a head injury, or a stroke, or some sort of problem where his brain became starved of oxygen and bits of it died and now he cam't empathise with other people or tell the difference between things he thinks and things he says out loud? has he been proclaimed king of the dickheads, and in order to retain his lordly privileges over the other dickheads he needs to be more of a dickhead more often than any other dickhead?

 

[Citizen66]

tbf he has come along fairly recently. To take over from utopia who was taking over from Sas.

 

[killer b]

I'm pleased that time to reflect he's had since he was banned for being a racist has been put to good use.

 

[kittyP]

Society needs a thought out approach to obesity - the percentage of obese people in society can't get bigger and bigger. AFAIK obesity is set to become the biggest cost to the NHS. It is something under most people's control (perhaps with a little help), so I'm not sure it's the same as traditional disabilities. Comparing obesity to sports injuries is bizarre, given that people who play sports/exercise are more likely to be healthier than those who don't (and in bottom line terms cost the NHS less).

If it is becoming such a big problem then I think personally that that shows that it is not that under peoples control.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Do you have the same fuck you attitude to drug addicts, alcoholics and so on, Johnny Vodka?

Do I have a fuck you attitude? I don't think I've said anything in this thread that isn't common sense and I've already agreed that people are obese for various reasons. Some of my best friends are large. I do have one big friend who's happy to admit he's that size because he enjoys his food and eats too much (doesn't help that he has a sedentary job). In many cases, it is that simple - and I think it's right to ask when people make such a choice, and are so aware of that choice, how much employers and wider society should be forced to do to accommodate that choice. I probably sound like a shit politician.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

If it is becoming such a big problem then I think personally that that shows that it is not that under peoples control.

Society has changed, but that's not to say weight isn't under many people's control. We're pushed crap foods, but that doesn't mean we need to buy and eat them. (Personally, I would welcome any policy of taxing bad foods more heavily/subsidising good foods/banning the promotion of certain foods or the selling of certain products within near vicinity of a school. Basically, short of banning crap foods, I'd give people the best support we collectively can.) We have less time, more sedentary jobs, but that just means you have to go that extra mile when it comes to exercising - even if it means at night after a long day at work or getting out of bed early on a weekend morning. That's what I have to do to keep in shape. Most people who are slim(ish) aren't that way because of luck, but because they work hard to control their diet and/or activity. If I stopped running my 10 - 15 miles a week (I don't get away from my desk at lunchtime) or started eating canteen lunches, I'd quickly develop a beer gut.

 

[DotCommunist]

jamie oliver cunt

 

[toggle]

Do I have a fuck you attitude? I don't think I've said anything in this thread that isn't common sense and I've already agreed that people are obese for various reasons. Some of my best friends are large. I do have one big friend who's happy to admit he's that size because he enjoys his food and eats too much (doesn't help that he has a sedentary job). In many cases, it is that simple - and I think it's right to ask when people make such a choice, and are so aware of that choice, how much employers and wider society should be forced to do to accommodate that choice. I probably sound like a shit politician.

is this like the imaginary women who always tell you somehting that supports your agenda?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

is this like the imaginary women who always tell you somehting that supports your agenda?

Nope, this is my imaginary mate who I'm going out with imaginary Xmas drinks for tomorrow.

 

[campanula]

Grief, you are a clueless fuck JV - do you support the ideas that the poverty is the lot of many people because they are stupid/lazy/misinformed? Feeble tabloid ranting....masquerading as the voice of 'common sense'. You are a disgrace.

 

[Vintage Paw]

There are some people who are fat because they eat a lot and they don't do any exercise and there might not be any other underlying reason. There are some people who are fat because of one or more of any number of underlying reasons, from psychological problems, to financial problems, to medications, to things we don't yet understand.

Why do you feel the need to focus on the portion of the population that supports your cuntishness, and ignore everything else?

You do the same when it comes to subjects about women. You ignore the endless amounts of evidence presented to you and focus only on the 3 women you know who say sexism ain't no thing.

This is your MO. You head straight for the morally judgemental bullshit, the stuff that upholds the status quo, the stuff that preserves your position, the stuff that ignores oppression and bigotry and the way power works.

Why do you do that, Johnny?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Why do you feel the need to focus on the portion of the population that supports your cuntishness, and ignore everything else?

Nope, haven't done this at all. I've repeatedly said/agreed that there are various reasons why people are obese, and that there are actions that need to be taken at a societal level to try and persuade people down the right path because it is hard for the average person to keep a healthy weight. But at one end of the spectrum, yes, some people do make bad decisions for no underlying reason. Do you think no-one should take personal responsibility for a situation (and I mean that as much in a positive 'can change' way as negative blame way)?

 

[Citizen66]

Someone from the df preaching 'personal responsibility'. just lol.

 

[killer b]

There are some people who are fat because they eat a lot and they don't do any exercise and there might not be any other underlying reason. There are some people who are fat because of one or more of any number of underlying reasons, from psychological problems, to financial problems, to medications, to things we don't yet understand.

Why do you feel the need to focus on the portion of the population that supports your cuntishness, and ignore everything else?

You do the same when it comes to subjects about women. You ignore the endless amounts of evidence presented to you and focus only on the 3 women you know who say sexism ain't no thing.

This is your MO. You head straight for the morally judgemental bullshit, the stuff that upholds the status quo, the stuff that preserves your position, the stuff that ignores oppression and bigotry and the way power works.

Why do you do that, Johnny?

Its because it upsets people. That's why he comes here, cause he likes upsetting people. I think there must be something wrong with him.

 

[story]

One day, maybe, Johnny Vodka will look back on his current postings and wonder at his inability to recognise what was being pointed out to him so clearly, kindly, patiently, definitively, angrily, repeatedly, despairingly, anguishedly, frustratedly, furiously.

I wonder if you're shallow or thoughtless, or uncaring, or self-centred, or what. It's really odd.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

The 'buffalo hump' is a well recognised adverse effect of steroid therapy. Not seen so much now, because dosages are lower.

Are you feeling better now? It must have been terrifying at the time. The auto-immune syndromes are extraordinarily difficult to treat, and in a lot of cases still not properly understood. Medicine has made great advances, but still has a long way to go.

Even more annoying than people patronising someone who is carrying extra weight are fucking pseudo medical experts.
I probably know more about autoimmune diseases than you would ever know in two lifetimes...seeing as I have two extremely rare ones..so
unless you're a doctor and I mean a consultant who really knows their shit...
Go fuck yourself.