Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?
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bcuster
Well-Known Member
He’s entitled to criticize. If UK has laws against that, then he’d best avoid visiting
ska invita
back on the other side
He's entitled all right
just a bit of of fascism-enabling, absolutely fine, well within his human rights
im not surprised you're comfortable with it
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Does the mass media still refer to Elon Musk as a "free speech absolutist"? Free speech for fash cunts racists and bigots - absolutely.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Tbh, having just listened to a bit of Adrian/Elon, if it is Elon Musk, then I think he is incredibly dangerous too.
Off the top of my head, iirc, the conversation between the other dude and Adrian/Elon was along the lines of Dude chatting and opening up topics with conversational gambits, like what's your favourite meme; what's your favourite movie; if you had to go to war, would you*; what do you think of cops; and why don't rich people (like Elon Musk) who could do good like solving poverty do so?
So far, so random shit that you might chat about with mates after a beers, part topical/culture stuff, part politics, part chatting shit and putting the world to rights when you're drunk at 3am kind of stuff.
But I don't think the conversation was the usual kind of 'tennis' back and forth. There was a certain amount of 'normal' back and forth, and Adrian/Elon did some of that [scepticism]Hmmm, perhaps...[/scepticism] when he clearly wasn't agreeing with Dude's opinion/proposition.
There seemed to be less of that 'Yeah, I take your point, but what about xyz...' from Adrian/Elon. He seemed to really lack empathy. In fact, it seemed incomprehensible to him that Dude might have valid points/other opinions that might be equally or more valid than his own.
Adrian/Elon seemed to talk down to Dude at some points, saying stuff like 'you're not understanding me,' 'I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying,' like he thought Dude was too stupid to understand what Adrian/Elon was saying. At those times, it didn't seem to occur to Adrian/Elon that Dude might totally understand Adrian/Elon's opinions but might disagree, might think he was fundamentally wrong, or that other people might have equally valid but different experiences and worldviews.
*The bit where Dude asks Adrian/Elon if he would go to war, and Adrian/Elon's attitude is, like, [computer] does not compute] kind of thing, and he's asking Dude 'What do you mean, would I go to war?' And there's a bit of back and forth until Dude eventually clarifies, mentioning Ukraine and Russia scenario, 'Would you pick up a gun and defend your country?' [like many Ukrainian civilians did] and Adrian/Musk is on the fence, maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't, it would depend what the war was over.
But it was weird. Because what else could Dude have meant by 'Would you go to war?' other than if the chips were down and you got enlisted in an overseas war or your country got invaded, would you pick up a gun an fight?
Alternatively, did Adrian/Elon think that Dude was literally asking him (secretly one of the richest and most powerful people on the planet) 'Would you go to war?' as in would you start a war, would you make a war happen?
Because if Adrian/Elon didn't automatically twig that he was being asked as an ordinary Adrian/Joe Briggs if he'd pick up a gun to defend his country, but if the thought crossed his mind that he was being asked a bigger question - like was he playing a movie scene scenario in his head, him as president in the situation room kind of scenario, do you escalate or de-escalate, to you pull back from the brink or do you go to war, sort of thing - and his response to that possible question wasn't an automatic knee-jerk 'Hell no, of course I wouldn't take us into a war!' but he sought clarification as to whether that was what Dude was really asking...
Erm, alarm bells are ringing. Let's go up another Defcon level and move forward the Doomsday clock another minute closer to midnight if this is the guy who is whispering in Donald Trump's ear.
If it is him, I agree, he's extremely, terribly dangerous.
I'd love to know if any commentators who have any expertise in psychiatry/psychology have heard the whole audio and what their opinions are of whoever that is.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
Do you agree with his criticisms?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Larry the cat seems to have got it the wrong way round - the charts appear to indicate that Elon Musk is significantly more popular with those who use Twitter than those who don't.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
He's a cat. You can't expect him to be good at maths.
Although my cat Spud can count. He lets me know if I've short changed him at treat time. He's far too intelligent to be working at number 10.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yes.
Why have they seemed to accept what the likes of Musk declares to be 'free speech'?
Free Speech means that you can say what you like, any old steaming pile of bollocks, but with the codicil that it does not imperil others if it is a steaming pile of bollocks.
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Lighten up, ska
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
eta, Musk has just announced that he will give a billion dollars to the first 100 people to kill him.
How long would that free speech tweet last on twix?
How long would that free speech tweet last on twix?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Are you a fan?
bcuster
Well-Known Member
Of ska?
not really. They’re on my ass a little too much, tbh…
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Of Musk
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Nah, the highest un-favourability %s (67) are amongst those respondents who identify as Twitter users, but he may have missed that the worst net (un)favourability numbers are similar across all 3 cohorts...but he's only a cat.
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
I don't think the UK has any laws against criticising the German government? Not that I want him to visit, like.
Tankus
Bemused OAP
Just been watching the recordings of the bomber from the cybertruck that elons released ....
Thought about getting a white board with magnetic backing , and every time a tesla parks behind me (eg shopping car park} ........ attach a sign to the back of my car , "elon musk is a wanker" , the Tesla cameras will send the message back to tesla HQ .
Thought about getting a white board with magnetic backing , and every time a tesla parks behind me (eg shopping car park} ........ attach a sign to the back of my car , "elon musk is a wanker" , the Tesla cameras will send the message back to tesla HQ .
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Musk isn't Dittman.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If you look at net favourability then there is a very clear pattern: the more frequent the use of Twitter, the more favourably Musk is seen. Larry has completely messed this up and is posting what he wants the survey to show rather than what it actually shows.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Who could have guessed!
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
And it isn't that a lot of people who don't like Musk have just left the site?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What isn't?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
if there are more far right posters on there now they're more likely to be favourable.
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
Is it not daily xtwitterx users -> British public in general -> non-daily xtwitterx users? (Or the other way around, depending on how you look at it.) It's tricky data that you can't really draw a clear pattern from, but I think non-daily xtwitterx users are more frequent users than people who aren't users.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
tbf atm we have a bit of a problem with grown men dick riding billionaires and millionaires
it an odd thing to observe but you get people defending them regardless of their actions see musk, trump , rogan amongst other
something went very wrong in the last decade
hitmouse
entreprenulsoip critical thinking
He may well not be, but that link's not working for me.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Larry didn’t refer to favorability; he specifically mentioned the likelihood of disliking Musk. You seem to want to twist the poor cat’s words.
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