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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?


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My posts seen illogical and absurd to you, but you fail to explain why.
You are entitled to have and express your opinion, but you may not actually be right.
I haven't said that they they are illogical. I have, to the contrary, followed though the logic of your posts to demonstrate the absurdity of the positions that they necessarily entail and that you are blissfully old man/bore in pub unaware of.
 
This has been an issue for a lot of years now, aren't you curious as to why it hasn't been sorted yet, by folks probably better equipped to do so that you and I?

It hasn't been sorted, because the EU has refused to discuss in any detail, anything about our future relationship until we leave.

And, May agreeing to that fucking daft idea, was the biggest fuck up in the whole miserable situation.
 
It hasn't been sorted, because the EU has refused to discuss in any detail, anything about our future relationship until we leave.

And, May agreeing to that fucking daft idea, was the biggest fuck up in the whole miserable situation.

The EU had suggested a border down the Irish sea as one possibility for the future, and it accepted the UK suggestion of the (badly named in my view) backstop as another suggestion for the future relationship.
Maybe you don't think of those as 'any details'.

If Theresa May messed up that's her look out, but I was warming to her brexit in name only idea as maybe the best of a bad job in this whole miserable situation.
 
The EU had suggested a border down the Irish sea as one possibility for the future, and it accepted the UK suggestion of the (badly named in my view) backstop as another suggestion for the future relationship.
Maybe you don't think of those as 'any details'.

If Theresa May messed up that's her look out, but I was warming to her brexit in name only idea as maybe the best of a bad job in this whole miserable situation.
You were demanding leave with a hard border as the only possible outcome a few minutes ago - and have spent two years loudly demanding that leave voters enforce this.

Carry on. As if you need an invitation.
 
Dishonesty?
For example?
I believe there is a consistency in the stance I take, but if you can point out my dishonesty then please do so.
All gone over previously. All you do is repeat yourself and ignore the criticisms put to you. You are a complete waste of time and space. I don't know why anyone bothers attempting to engage with you, just boredom I suppose.
 
The EU had suggested a border down the Irish sea as one possibility for the future, and it accepted the UK suggestion of the (badly named in my view) backstop as another suggestion for the future relationship.
Maybe you don't think of those as 'any details'.

If Theresa May messed up that's her look out, but I was warming to her brexit in name only idea as maybe the best of a bad job in this whole miserable situation.

The backstop is not supposed to be part of our future relationship, just a temporary measure until the details can be worked out for a proper solution. :facepalm:
 
All gone over previously. All you do is repeat yourself and ignore the criticisms put to you. You are a complete waste of time and space. I don't know why anyone bothers attempting to engage with you, just boredom I suppose.

Good point, I am going back to ignoring him.
 
The backstop is not supposed to be part of our future relationship, just a temporary measure until the details can be worked out for a proper solution. :facepalm:

It is supposed to be a measure for the future. How temporary is a matter to be sorted.
Initially the backstop was to kick in in the future when brexit is supposed to happen.
 
For those interested here is the LeFT founding principles document. This answered questions about how LeFT aims to develop, resist dispersion and promote bottom up working class campaigns and activity.

Core Principles

Three years and this is all there is from the left side of Brexit?

Both the things you have linked to are just wish lists. Whoever is leading this didn't even bother to do half a days work on a website before putting out the founding statement. Where's the social media, how are the working class going to hear about this and get involved? Where's the list of union meetings or actions. Where's the press coverage? Three years, I've seen better campaigns put together in three days.

It's just the usual suspects going round in circles, ever decreasing circles if this is the extent of their efforts.

Then there's the actual content. The list of countries we will be trading with excludes the US and gives no idea how these new relationships will be more beneficial to us and the countries concerned. How to deal with Brazil for example.

How are, British, BAME people actually being represented when 75% voted remain. Same with NI and again no mention of the referendum result there. Are their views just wrong so it's OK for you to do what's best for them and simply ignore the stated aims regarding democracy.

Can't argue with some the realities of EU refugee policy but we don't have a party offering an egalitarian immigration and refugee policy so effectively no solution is offered by LeFT. At least some EU countries have resettled new arrivals to Italy and Greece. Last time I checked we had resettled 0 people and neither main party has committed to changing this. It could be that staying in the EU would lead to Britain being forced to adopt a better refugee policy. Not saying it will but it's as likely as Brexit leading to the same, possibly more so as the more powerful members would like a quota system.

Everybody here makes the assumption that I'm middle class. I'm not and neither are most of my social circle, yet none of us voted leave. How are we represented by LeFT? Against our will? Condescendingly from above? LeFT statements should at least qualify their use of the term with something like "leave voting working class"

Still at least we've got lots of time. Oh.

I can see the backstop issue being solved by rebranding it a border solution with agreed goals that the UK must meet. Basically changing the whole we can't leave without EU permission to we have agreed the solution and will be out when we implement it just like we wanted all along. Same thing different description. If not then it could be no deal exit in a couple of months.

Tories are already in election mode and doing stuff like this.
NHS bosses ordered to 'stick to script' that no-deal Brexit must happen on 31 October if necessary

If LeFT and their tiny website are the response to Tory Brexit everyone who's experienced abuse, lost their job or suffered from the drop in the pound as a result of the leave vote can sleep well tonight in the knowledge that another statement will be along shortly.
 
If LeFT and their tiny website are the response to Tory Brexit everyone who's experienced abuse, lost their job or suffered from the drop in the pound as a result of the leave vote can sleep well tonight in the knowledge that another statement will be along shortly.
What's your response anju? And it better be both effective and immediate.
 
If anybody needs evidence that there has been little to no movement in people's views and position in three years then we could just show them this thread
 
Sorry, late to this thread and my first post.
Am I right is assuming that everybody who voted brexit is an ignorant racist self serving nationalist brainwashed tosser?
Is there anybody at all, in the universe, who can persuade me that there is anything good about brexit?
Just to make it easy, start with the day to day practical solutions to the land border on the island of Ireland. We are told brexit voters knew what they were doing, so if there is a brexit voter reading this, tell me your plan for the border that you knew about before voting in the referendum.
I am 65, the son of a bus cleaner and a waitress in a cafe, who went into care at an early age and have worked all my life. Despite apparently being of the demographic who is supposed to have voted brexit I can't believe that any sentient being with the capacity to think would have voted brexit.
I will personally hate and despise anybody I know who voted brexit until my dying day (which isn't far off), brexit won, it is your country now and I hold brexit voters in utter contempt.
Exhibit a
 
Oh and basing supposedly pro working class left wing politics on currency falls or rises is just fuck off

My parents live in Spain on a state pension, as do other people. The value of their pension has fallen enough to cause them financial distress. I'm not in a position to help them. That causes me distress.
 
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