Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Smokeandsteam]

That doesn't surprise me one bit, because you believe a solution can not be found, in fact you seem to want no solution, you want chaos, so you can claim some victory for the hundreds of posts you have made on this subject.

Yet, Ireland, the EU, and the UK all want to find a solution, and one will have to be found at some point.

Precisely. He needs to read the report instead of the carefully constructed narrative, by the EU and their pals in Dublin which the media lap up. It’s an issue. There are solutions. Every side needs to agree on one of them.

 

[philosophical]

Why are you trying to blow apart the GFA agreement by insisting on a hard militarised border between NI and the ROI?

Those who voted leave are the ones who insist on a controlled border between the UK and the EU.

 

[butchersapron]

Those who voted leave are the ones who insist on a controlled border between the UK and the EU.

No, you are the single person here doing that. The only one. It's madness. No one wants it, so why are you insisting on it? Don't you care about what happens next if your mad plan was ever put in place?

Callous.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Those who voted leave are the ones who insist on a controlled border between the UK and the EU.

No they don't, fool.

 

[philosophical]

That doesn't surprise me one bit, because you believe a solution can not be found, in fact you seem to want no solution, you want chaos, so you can claim some victory for the hundreds of posts you have made on this subject.

Yet, Ireland, the EU, and the UK all want to find a solution, and one will have to be found at some point.

I have done what you asked and taken a look at the alternative arrangements you mentioned.
I have asked what happens in those arrangements that deals with transgressions.
Neither you, nor the document it seems, are able to answer that point.
If a solution will have to be found at some point then what is that solution?

 

[butchersapron]

Think about this mad formulation for a minute - like, really think, what does it demand?

If a solution will have to be found at some point then what is that solution?

 

[philosophical]

No, you are the single person here doing that. The only one. It's madness. No one wants it, so why are you insisting on it? Don't you care about what happens next if your mad plan was ever put in place?

Callous.

I disagree, those who promote the alternative arrangements are promoting a controlled border, which it seems they think can happen without a system to deal with transgressions.
Unless what they are really saying is leave isn't what they want after all.

 

[philosophical]

No they don't, fool.

Are they saying leave means stay joined then?

 

[butchersapron]

I disagree, those who promote the alternative arrangements are promoting a controlled border, which it seems they think can happen without a system to deal with transgressions.
Unless what they are really saying is leave isn't what they want after all.

And we're back to why Ireland never left the United Kingdon aren't we?

Why do you crave that hard border, the shooting war, the economic and infrastructural sabotage - what on earth is wrong with you?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If a solution will have to be found at some point then what is that solution?

A united Ireland?

 

[butchersapron]

Are they saying leave means stay joined then?

Ireland never left the UK.

Nothing ever happened ever in fact. Or could have happened.

 

[philosophical]

Ireland never left the UK.

Nothing ever happened ever in fact. Or could have happened.

What on earth are you on about?

 

[butchersapron]

A united Ireland?

Under what conditions?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I have done what you asked and taken a look at the alternative arrangements you mentioned.
I have asked what happens in those arrangements that deals with transgressions.
Neither you, nor the document it seems, are able to answer that point.

I'll repeat... "and is certainly the starting point for a constructive conversation, when finer details can be agreed."

If a solution will have to be found at some point then what is that solution?

Beyond totally illogical.

 

[philosophical]

And we're back to why Ireland never left the United Kingdon aren't we?

Why do you crave that hard border, the shooting war, the economic and infrastructural sabotage - what on earth is wrong with you?

Back where?
To a place and concept that you introduced that I have not engaged with, I think it was because you wrote the British 'empire' that I lost interest in whatever point you're trying to make.

 

[butchersapron]

Back where?
To a place and concept that you introduced that I have not engaged with, I think it was because you wrote the British 'empire' that I lost interest in whatever point you're trying to make.

Back to the logic of your absurd posts. That you cannot recognise this says it all. Just another little englander.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Are they saying leave means stay joined then?

This is beyond a joke, it's like trying to debate with a can of baked beans.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Under what conditions?

Was more being sarky assuming that wasn't what they were suggesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is beyond a joke, it's like trying to debate with a can of baked beans.

There are cans of beans with better debating skills than philosophical

 

[butchersapron]

Was more being sarky assumingr that wasn't what they were suggesting.

They actually think that their repeated call for a hard militarised border and economic wafare (or what they think constitutes that) waged from the ROI is a pro-united ireland position. It's beyond stupid.

 

[philosophical]

I'll repeat... "and is certainly the starting point for a constructive conversation, when finer details can be agreed."



Beyond totally illogical.

You are right about illogical. I worded that badly.

However you quote 'a constructive conversation where finer details can be agreed'.
Isn't that the issue?
What is described as 'finer details' are actually huge central sticking points?
Like the 'finer detail' about what to do about transgressions.
Beyond somebody somewhere saying 'not a problem, it'll sort itself out, it'll be alright on the night' there isn't a sense of details, finer or huge, being sorted at all.
This has been an issue for a lot of years now, aren't you curious as to why it hasn't been sorted yet, by folks probably better equipped to do so that you and I?
Could it be that nobody can suggest a workable solution that isn't to be a harsh and indeed dangerous one?

 

[butchersapron]

What will happen in transgressions in a scenario only you want and argue for? Well maybe you can answer that for yourself? How will you deal with transgressors?

 

[philosophical]

There are cans of beans with better debating skills than philosophical

Wehey, in rolls Mr High and Mighty Condescending man with the personals.
Carry on.

 

[philosophical]

What will happen in transgressions in a scenario only you want and argue for? Well maybe you can answer that for yourself? How will you deal with transgressors?

I wouldn't change the minimum systems that exist now. I wouldn't have brexit at all. I voted remain.
However I lost that vote and it is for those who promote brexit (there are some on here) to come up with the solutions.
Instead a lot of people are irritated by me because of their own failure to answer the questions that I ask.
Hence the regularity of the personals, which is a way of retreating into ignorance and avoiding things.

 

[belboid]

Instead a lot of people are irritated by me because of their own failure to answer the questions that I ask.

that's not why people are irritated by you, and you know it. It's your dishonesty.

 

[butchersapron]

I wouldn't change the minimum systems that exist now. I wouldn't have brexit at all. I voted remain.
However I lost that vote and it is for those who promote brexit (there are some on here) to come up with the solutions.
Instead a lot of people are irritated by me because of their own failure to answer the questions that I ask.
Hence the regularity of the personals, which is a way of retreating into ignorance and avoiding things.

Answer the question that you asked yourself. What will happen in transgressions in a scenario only you want and argue for? Well maybe you can answer that for yourself? How will you deal with transgressors?

At least do that.

 

[philosophical]

Back to the logic of your absurd posts. That you cannot recognise this says it all. Just another little englander.

My posts seen illogical and absurd to you, but you fail to explain why.
You are entitled to have and express your opinion, but you may not actually be right.

 

[butchersapron]

that's not why people are irritated by you, and you know it. It's your dishonesty.

That and the massive racist smears.

(And all them murders what he done)

 

[philosophical]

that's not why people are irritated by you, and you know it. It's your dishonesty.

Dishonesty?
For example?
I believe there is a consistency in the stance I take, but if you can point out my dishonesty then please do so.

 

[philosophical]

Answer the question that you asked yourself. What will happen in transgressions in a scenario only you want and argue for? Well maybe you can answer that for yourself? How will you deal with transgressors?

At least do that.

I did not ask myself that question.