Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[cupid_stunt]

From reading the piece, it would seem that it’s simply that the London courts are on holiday but the Scots ones aren’t.

I have no way of knowing if that’s the real reason.

I've seen various reports saying that's the reason.

 

[danny la rouge]

I've seen various reports saying that's the reason.

Yes, me too: the one that andysays linked to. What I mean is that: this is the reason stated by the BBC. Take that on face value if you will.

 

[andysays]

From reading the piece, it would seem that it’s simply that the London courts are on holiday but the Scots ones aren’t.

I have no way of knowing if that’s the real reason.

Well, if you're going to cheat by actually reading the piece before answering...

 

[philosophical]

Am I right in reading that to mean that it was not your intention to present the proposal as a solution?

If you mean my proposal that leavers should solve the Irish problem, then no I didn't say it so they could get a solution because they manifestly can't.
My hope is that they can eventually accept that, and there is enough stuff that could happen to make the brexit vote exposed as the impractical thing it believe it to be. Possibly an unsatisfactory further vote of some kind. Or some kind of at this moment unimaginable surrender by brexit voters. Yeah unimaginable that one.
All the time anybody is cheerleading for 'brexit' there is something to question, and the question they can't brush away is the one about the Irish border.
Maybe brexiters will eventually realise that.

 

[belboid]

If you mean my proposal that leavers should solve the Irish problem, then no I didn't say it so they could get a solution because they manifestly can't.
My hope is that they can eventually accept that, and there is enough stuff that could happen to make the brexit vote exposed as the impractical thing it believe it to be. Possibly an unsatisfactory further vote of some kind. Or some kind of at this moment unimaginable surrender by brexit voters. Yeah unimaginable that one.
All the time anybody is cheerleading for 'brexit' there is something to question, and the question they can't brush away is the one about the Irish border.
Maybe brexiters will eventually realise that.

So, you're arguing for something you don't think will ever happen, because it makes you feel better. You're wagging your finger whilst watching people you have disdain for do something you find reprehensible.

What a complete and utter waste of time.

 

[danny la rouge]

Perhaps it’s the way I express myself, philosophical, but you seem always to be answering a question other than the one asked.

So, am I right in interpreting the above as saying the reason you proposed making Leave voters sort the NI border issue is not because you actually think that the proposal can be put into operation, but so that they “eventually realise they can’t brush away the issue”?

And once Leave voters realise that (accepting they currently don’t), you’ll consider your job done?

 

[teuchter]

In addressing the question to the wrong person, you miss the point, which is that philosophical is saying that it is up to Leave voters to solve the problem. Let’s accept that’s correct (it isn’t, but let’s accept it is in order to move on), how is that to take place? Leave aside the uniqueness of the suggestion within the terms of our system. But given that he keeps on saying that this is what must happen, it’s not unreasonable to enquire how.

For what it’s worth, I’d opt for a reunited Ireland. If I was the Westminster government, I’d say to the Unionists “we have decided there are two choices: the sort of border you don’t want, or no border, because you’re joining the Republic. You choose”.

That would appear to be the honest position of Johnson. He should just say it.

For Leave voters to solve the problem, all they have to do is suggest a feasible solution for an agreement that deals with the border, gives Leave voters what they want, and can get through parliament.

The problem is not the mechanism to turn a solution into practical reality, but that no such solution exists.

I don't think your solution would get through parliament, therefore it's probably not a solution.

The other way for Leave voters to solve the problem would be to say, actually let's forget it and stay in

The above is to some extent facetious, of course.

 

[danny la rouge]

I don't think your solution would get through parliament, therefore it's probably not a solution.

I’m hoping that the break up of the UK is going to be one of the outcomes of this whole thing. I’m not fussed about the channels.

 

[philosophical]

Perhaps it’s the way I express myself, philosophical, but you seem always to be answering a question other than the one asked.

So, am I right in interpreting the above as saying the reason you proposed making Leave voters sort the NI border issue is not because you actually think that the proposal can be put into operation, but so that they “eventually realise they can’t brush away the issue”?

And once Leave voters realise that (accepting they currently don’t), you’ll consider your job done?

Yes essentially. Going out now so can't explain in any more detail.

 

[philosophical]

So, you're arguing for something you don't think will ever happen, because it makes you feel better. You're wagging your finger whilst watching people you have disdain for do something you find reprehensible.

What a complete and utter waste of time.

I think what you say following the word because is wrong as I have tried to explain elsewhere on this thread.
Please don't waste any of your time responding.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes essentially.

I suspect most Leave voters are well aware of the NI border problem, and that the circle the Unionists insist must be squared can’t be. So your job’s essentially done.

Going out now so can't explain in any more detail.

Have fun.

 

[belboid]

I think what you say following the word because is wrong as I have tried to explain elsewhere on this thread.
Please don't waste any of your time responding.

It really has been a waste of time, hasn't it? You're not interested in an actual discussion, still less resolving the problem you pose, so what is the point of your posts at all?

 

[existentialist]

and paper, pens and so forth

And maybe some crayons.

 

[existentialist]

I am sure there are differences between the EEA system and the EU system, and there needs to be some kind of meshing or accommodation between the two. As far as I can see the two systems are sympathetic to each other but are still different from each other.
I looked at this:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-EEA-and-EU

And it quickly becomes complex in trying to figure out it's practical applications in the situation you suggest.

If you are saying there is no difference at all I find it curious, but if you are saying there are no differences at all that would impact the GFA in any way whatsoever I would find it hopeful.
However it remains that the vote was to leave the EU, not to join the EEA or anything else, and that is where the country now stands. Boris Johnson is not waddling around saying lets be part of the EEA only, he waddles around going on about leaving completely in every way, and he says he is mandated because the vote was simply to leave.

Really? You're seriously citing askastupidquestion.com as a source?

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m hoping that the break up of the UK is going to be one of the outcomes of this whole thing. I’m not fussed about the channels.

The English channel will become the kentish strait

 

[bluescreen]

It must have been a slow day at work.

 

[Pickman's model]

It must have been a slow day at work.

I was actually quite busy

 

[bluescreen]

I was actually quite busy

I didn't mean you.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Des Kinvig]

The problem is that there isn’t a solution for the northern ireland border - without a deal that won’t be popular with leavers - other than actually having a border with checks etc. I suspect the dup (as opposed to unionists in the general sense, but with either some or most unionists concurring) don’t care about this and quietly would like the border reinstated, given that they were vehemently opposed to the GFA.

Personally I still think brexit won’t happen. But at this point it is anyone’s guess, I suppose.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Ming]

This guy’s really good. An analysis of why the Brexiteers want to leave this year.

 

[philosophical]

Really? You're seriously citing askastupidquestion.com as a source?

It was what came up and seems pretty comprehensive. Is it fake news or something?

 

[existentialist]

It was what came up and seems pretty comprehensive. Is it fake news or something?

Never have I itched so to say "get with the programme, granddad". And I am a granddad.

 

[Wookey]

This guy’s really good. An analysis of why the Brexiteers want to leave this year.

He's very good.

 

[Ming]

He's very good.

I wish he was still sitting down. I don’t like the new look.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

on tweeter.





i think this could have been phrased better.

is the johnson government 'shit' and a potential corbyn government 'bust' or vice versa?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Do we need a 2nd poll?

 

[Ranbay]

Do we need a 2nd poll?

Yes this , 52% this !

 

[redsquirrel]

This guy’s really good. An analysis of why the Brexiteers want to leave this year.

Sub-Jazzz nonsense.