Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Poi E]

Voting, fucking retro that one.

 

[philosophical]

You must have an incredibly unperturbed existence.

Existence.
Quite revealing and poetic in its own way.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Yes I am.
It is because I see the referendum vote in a very particular way, and it wasn't supposed to be for a particular party but a particular action...leaving.
If it was party political maybe it was about leave voters aspiring to get into bed with a party politician like Boris Johnson.

You seem determined to absolve the Tories - who've had three years to get this shit show sorted - from any culpability. That's weirder than voting the same way Johnson did in a yes/no vote but for extremely different reasons.

 

[Pickman's model]

You seem determined to absolve the Tories - who've had three years to get this shit show sorted - from any culpability. That's weirder than voting the same way Johnson did in a yes/no vote but for extremely different reasons.

he's been going on about this for 527 days so far and unless something extraordinary happens he'll be wittering on for another 527.

 

[philosophical]

You seem determined to absolve the Tories - who've had three years to get this shit show sorted - from any culpability. That's weirder than voting the same way Johnson did in a yes/no vote but for extremely different reasons.

I have not absolved any Tory...I hate the bastards actually.
Lord Buckethead was right and I see you agree with him about a shitshow.
The Brexit industry has spent three years analyzing the reasons why people voted and it has led nowhere.
It is what was on the ballot paper that interests me and it's consequences.
Oh, and those who voted leave voted the same way as Johnson did they not?

 

[philosophical]

he's been going on about this for 527 days so far and unless something extraordinary happens he'll be wittering on for another 527.

Not consecutive days.
I come and go on here, however every time I visit you are here.

 

[Steel Icarus]

he's been going on about this for 527 days so far and unless something extraordinary happens he'll be wittering on for another 527.

So Kant here has form here for cant storms boring tears out of all here for more years.

 

[existentialist]

BTW, where's Corbyn?

He seems to have gone AWOL.

I think it's courgette-harvesting time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not consecutive days.
I come and go on here, however every time I visit you are here.

the days have been consecutive, they have not been concurrent. it's a lie to say i'm here every time you deign to grace us with your presence, for example

Is there some kind of point you're trying to make?

at that point i was in russia and happily unaware of the noises you were making

that is, as i say, but one example. there are numerous other times when you've been in while i've been out.

 

[Pickman's model]

And a Boris Johson-led UK will be served for breakfast to the US...

if it was cooked by johnson the diners might get dysentry, he's not known for his hygiene

 

[teuchter]

Copied over from the polling thread...

Telegraph accused of misrepresenting public position on proroguing parliament after 'dodgy' poll

Here are the actual poll results for those interested

https://t.co/tkyVzzbe1i

 

[SpackleFrog]

I have not absolved any Tory...I hate the bastards actually.
Lord Buckethead was right and I see you agree with him about a shitshow.
The Brexit industry has spent three years analyzing the reasons why people voted and it has led nowhere.
It is what was on the ballot paper that interests me and it's consequences.
Oh, and those who voted leave voted the same way as Johnson did they not?

You voted the same way as May did you not? Further evidence of Mayism

 

[philosophical]

the days have been consecutive, they have not been concurrent. it's a lie to say i'm here every time you deign to grace us with your presence, for example

at that point i was in russia and happily unaware of the noises you were making

that is, as i say, but one example. there are numerous other times when you've been in while i've been out.

I apologise if I have touched a nerve about your seeming ubiquity.
I very much look forward to the next time our paths don't cross on here.

 

[Pickman's model]

I apologise if I have touched a nerve about your seeming ubiquity.
I very much look forward to the next time our paths don't cross on here.

it's not you've touched a nerve, it's that as here you're frequently reckless with the actualite

 

[belboid]

Depends how winning and losing are defined.

you should change your name to Humpty Dumpty

 

[philosophical]

You voted the same way as May did you not? Further evidence of Mayism

I did vote the same way as May, you are right there.

 

[andysays]

Yes.
Won the most votes then yes.
Won in terms of doing what they thought they could do is more complex.

Just as the government has struggled with carrying out a decision, you seem to be struggling with the theoretical distinction between making a decision and carrying out that decision.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I did vote the same way as May, you are right there.

So you agree. You aspired to get into bed with Theresa May.

And not in a metaphorical way either. All your attention seeking drivel about borders is actually motivated by the fact that you have the hots for Treeza.

Wait a minute. Philosophical... Phillip May... Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

[Raheem]

I almost had sex with Theresa May once, but she insisted on a legally binding withdrawal agreement, so I went with Boris Johnson instead. Less fussy, but he totally destroyed my manufacturing sector.

 

[Wilf]

I believe those who voted leave are totally responsible for sorting the consequences of their actions.
It certainly isn't down to those who voted remain.
If you believe that means I don't get 'politics' you're wrong if that is a question and also wrong if that is a statement.
My views are no less and no more valid than yours.

Look, I get it, you wanted remain. You are entitled to keep saying 'what about Ireland, what about the border'. That's fine. But as others have pointed out, what is the mechanism for leave voters to 'sort the consequences of their actions'?

I wasn't actually a leave voter (didn't vote), but let's run with it: I've got a bit of time over the weekend, might sketch out a few ideas. What do I do, pass them to the civil service? Go straight to the politicians? The idea that power works like that is absurd and you know it is. So, accepting that (hopefully), what does your point about 'leave voters sorting the border' actually add up to? Isn't it time to admit it was a weak rhetorical point that added nothing to the debate?

Edit: us, having that lack of power is the story behind the whole fucking thing (in varying and complex ways, for both sides).

 

[danny la rouge]

us, having that lack of power is the story behind the whole fucking thing

Applause.

 

[Pickman's model]

I almost had sex with Theresa May once, but she insisted on a legally binding withdrawal agreement, so I went with Boris Johnson instead. Less fussy, but he totally destroyed my manufacturing sector.

that's nothing, philosophical's been moaning about being fucked by both david cameron and theresa may for months and months and months

 

[danny la rouge]

that's nothing, philosophical's been moaning about being fucked by both david cameron and theresa may for months and months and months

In that case anything he’s got, I’ve got.

 

[Pickman's model]

In that case anything he’s got, I’ve got.

i hope you've not contracted his shit politics (((danny la rouge)))

 

[philosophical]

Look, I get it, you wanted remain. You are entitled to keep saying 'what about Ireland, what about the border'. That's fine. But as others have pointed out, what is the mechanism for leave voters to 'sort the consequences of their actions'?

I wasn't actually a leave voter (didn't vote), but let's run with it: I've got a bit of time over the weekend, might sketch out a few ideas. What do I do, pass them to the civil service? Go straight to the politicians? The idea that power works like that is absurd and you know it is. So, accepting that (hopefully), what does your point about 'leave voters sorting the border' actually add up to? Isn't it time to admit it was a weak rhetorical point that added nothing to the debate?

Edit: us, having that lack of power is the story behind the whole fucking thing (in varying and complex ways, for both sides).

I am a tiny thread in the tapestry I get that. You say I add nothing to the debate, on that I would be hoping not.
In terms of the mechanism I suppose I am attempting, unsuccessfully it seems, to keep the Irish Border at the forefront of discussion, and in asking about the actual practicalities it might influence any leave voters to vote differently next time...if there is a next time. Or for those inclined to leave to at least consider to what degree their past and future actions (votes) have consequences.
A probably futile attempt by me to start with a single step where I can.
This site is great for theoretical discussion, I am in awe at the degrees of gradation some posters take the trouble to define in political labels.
However my obsession is about where in this instance theory and practice meet, probably clashes. In fact it even presents an opportunity to draw a line of fewer degrees of separation between a vote and it's practical consequences.
I get it is boring and irritating to some on here, but some other things are boring and irritating to me, so what?

 

[philosophical]

i hope you've not contracted his shit politics (((danny la rouge)))

What makes you an expert on my politics all of a sudden?
"Politics' is a pretty broad term.

 

[Pickman's model]

What makes you an expert on my politics all of a sudden?
"Politics' is a pretty broad term.

your 980 posts on this thread

 

[danny la rouge]

In terms of the mechanism I suppose I am attempting, unsuccessfully it seems, to keep the Irish Border at the forefront of discussion,

OK. But when you say Leave voters need to sort it, by what channels do you imagine this happening?

Imagine there’s a room full of Leave voters armed with all the necessary stationery, devices and software. What do they do?

 

[Pickman's model]

OK. But when you say Leave voters need to sort it, by what channels do you imagine this happening?

Imagine there’s a room full of Leave voters armed with all the necessary stationary, devices and software. What do they do?

and paper, pens and so forth

 

[teuchter]

Look, I get it, you wanted remain. You are entitled to keep saying 'what about Ireland, what about the border'. That's fine. But as others have pointed out, what is the mechanism for leave voters to 'sort the consequences of their actions'?

I wasn't actually a leave voter (didn't vote), but let's run with it: I've got a bit of time over the weekend, might sketch out a few ideas. What do I do, pass them to the civil service? Go straight to the politicians? The idea that power works like that is absurd and you know it is. So, accepting that (hopefully), what does your point about 'leave voters sorting the border' actually add up to? Isn't it time to admit it was a weak rhetorical point that added nothing to the debate?

Edit: us, having that lack of power is the story behind the whole fucking thing (in varying and complex ways, for both sides).

Do you reckon there are people out there who have a feasible, workable plan for how to deal with the border issue that would get through parliament and also give leave voters what they want? Just that they can't get anyone to look at their plan and pass it on to those in power?