Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpackleFrog]

Hello, I’m Theresa (Hello Theresa!) and I’m a Remainer, er no I’m a Brexiteer er I don’t actually know what the fuck I am.

...the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can...

 

[butchersapron]

The breakdown of the centre began about as soon as it achieved victory - rise of the BNP, decline of New Labour, etc. The EU referendum was a symptom of that, not its beginning, though its obviously now a focal point for it.

Don't know if you've read Goodwin and Eatwell's National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy but there is abundant evidence in there of the long term nature of this political vacuum - the utter dislocation on every level, political social economic cultural...4 decades at least.

 

[inva]

I don't think you can really describe new labour as of the centre, they were much more of the right in many important ways

I suppose I don't tend to think of the centre/centrists as occupying a point between left and right, more as a ideological tendency of the right.

 

[inva]

Don't know if you've read Goodwin and Eatwell's National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy but there is abundant evidence in there of the long term nature of this political vacuum - the utter dislocation on every level, political social economic cultural...4 decades at least.

No I haven't it's been ages since I read anything. I might have a look at that one if I can though, thanks.

 

[butchersapron]

No I haven't it's been ages since I read anything. I might have a look at that one if I can though, thanks.

It has the great quote from jean rey, ex-pres of EU commission:

‘A referendum on this matter consists of consulting people who don’t know the problems instead of consulting people who know them. I would deplore a situation in which the policy of this great country should be left to housewives. It should be decided instead by trained and informed people.’

Sound familiar?

 

[Pickman's model]

It has the great quote from jean rey, ex-pres of EU commission:



Sound familiar?

Our trained and informed people showing an understanding of the problem but no notion of a solution

 

[brogdale]

Don't know if you've read Goodwin and Eatwell's National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy but there is abundant evidence in there of the long term nature of this political vacuum - the utter dislocation on every level, political social economic cultural...4 decades at least.

Maybe also Peter Mair's Ruling the void ?
Apols no known link to a pdf

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe also Peter Mair's Ruling the void ?
Apols no known link to a pdf

Yes, def (it's here) to be read with Colin Crouch's Post Democracy.

 

[Badgers]

Probably won't happen

 

[ska invita]

The breakdown of the centre began about as soon as it achieved victory - rise of the BNP, decline of New Labour, etc. The EU referendum was a symptom of that, not its beginning, though its obviously now a focal point for it.

(broadly) I agree...Brexit'll be the convenient milestone on which to mark it

 

[Mr Moose]

Probably won't happen

Might turn out to be the first public enquiry of all time to squarely put the blame on the public.

 

[chilango]

Don't know if you've read Goodwin and Eatwell's National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy but there is abundant evidence in there of the long term nature of this political vacuum - the utter dislocation on every level, political social economic cultural...4 decades at least.

Is that the Pelican one? Worth getting?

I've a couple in that series (the class one and the social mobility one that are surprisingly good)

 

[butchersapron]

Is that the Pelican one? Worth getting?

I've a couple in that series (the class one and the social mobility one that are surprisingly good)

Yes, pelican one. It's well worth the read and provides plenty of ammo and things to think on.

 

[Spandex]

what do you think that event will be?

Britain will fall out of the EU on 12th April. The economy will crash and Tommy Robinson will be swept to power on a wave of nationalism. He'll lead the British army off to reclaim the empire and be killed near Gombe two months later as the army is crushed between Boko Haram and African Union troops.

Scotland will declare independence and rejoin the EU. Workers councils will spring up across northern England, and Northumbria, Yorkshire, Lancashire and Wales will declare themselves socialist republics. London will declare itself an independent city state and President Umunna will turn it into a tax haven for the super-rich having been refused membership of the EU. Rutland will declare itself a feudal dukedom.

The remains of the UK will endure a failing UKIP government so bad that the DUP proposes reunification with southern Ireland. Eventually a resurgent Lib Dems will gain power and a sad faced PM Clegg will sell the remaining state assets, including the Queen, to a cryrogenically frozen Rupert Murdoch for $4.2m.

 

[brogdale]

Britain will fall out of the EU on 12th April. The economy will crash and Tommy Robinson will be swept to power on a wave of nationalism. He'll lead the British army off to reclaim the empire and be killed near Gombe two months later as the army is crushed between Boko Haram and African Union troops.

Scotland will declare independence and rejoin the EU. Workers councils will spring up across northern England, and Northumbria, Yorkshire, Lancashire and Wales will declare themselves socialist republics. London will declare itself an independent city state and President Umunna will turn it into a tax haven for the super-rich having been refused membership of the EU. Rutland will declare itself a feudal dukedom.

The remains of the UK will endure a failing UKIP government so bad that the DUP proposes reunification with southern Ireland. Eventually a resurgent Lib Dems will gain power and a sad faced PM Clegg will sell the remaining state assets, including the Queen, to a cryrogenically frozen Rupert Murdoch for $4.2m.

Aw...come on, there has to be a catch somewhere?

 

[collectordave]

Britain crashes out with no deal then applies to become a state within the USA. After a couple of years a referendum is held which shows by a slim majority the will of the people is to leave the USA.

Three years or more of confusion as the USA declares that all British colonies should be left with the USA as USA colonies.

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[cupid_stunt]

As a leave voter I disagree or strongly disagree with all of the above, except blue passports, which I don't give a flying fuck about.

But, then I am not some raving right-wing loon.

 

[brogdale]

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Can't see those who will be held accountable going with the 53%.

 

[gentlegreen]

As a leave voter I disagree or strongly disagree with all of the above, except blue passports, which I don't give a flying fuck about.

But, then I am not some raving right-wing loon.

I wonder if there's more data available about the demographic..

 

[redsquirrel]

...

And? Are you going to try and make a point?

 

[Steel Icarus]

And...?

 

[Pickman's model]

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Have you a more recent survey, from 2018 or even 2019?

 

[Badgers]

Have you a more recent survey, from 2018 or even 2019?

Most of those 'leave voters' will have died of old age

 

[SpookyFrank]

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They left out birch switches, scrofula and the iron lung.

 

[Wookey]

As a leave voter I disagree or strongly disagree with all of the above, except blue passports, which I don't give a flying fuck about.

But, then I am not some raving right-wing loon.

Does it bother you who's on your side though?

 

[redsquirrel]

 

[Pickman's model]

Does it bother you who's on your side though?

you're like Nigel Farage's secret weapon

 

[Steel Icarus]

Haven't we moved beyond "U R A RACIALISS"? Surely to god we've moved beyond that fatuous bollocks and onto examining the political class' desperate scrabbling to preserve themselves while giving the impression they're doing what's right for the population?

 

[Pickman's model]

Haven't we moved beyond "U R A RACIALISS"? Surely to god we've moved beyond that fatuous bollocks and onto examining the political class' desperate scrabbling to preserve themselves while giving the impression they're doing what's right for the population?

They're not giving the impression that they are doing what's right for the population