Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The Warsaw Pact was a bad dream, from which 'we' woke up. Dictatorship in Portugal and Spain and Greece was a bad dream from which 'we' woke up.
I don't buy Houellebecq's line at all. That's not to say there are not big problems with the project, but pooling of sovereignty across the continent is far from a dumb idea. I also think this and many other things being said about the evils of the EU grossly overstate the extent to which the majority of people living in the EU ever even think about the EU, while taking for granted certain 'invisible' aspects of it, such as free movement. It's very easy to take free movement across the EU for granted, a bit like good health. It only really comes home to you what you have when you look at those who don't have it - try being a Russian with permanent leave to remain in the UK and wanting to travel in Europe, for instance.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I have linked the piece below because of my interest in the Irish aspect of brexit.
Now personally I have (if I hadn't let my British one lapse) two passports Irish and British (which I used in the past).
I am born in the UK, but not Northern Ireland and my dual nationality is not because of anything to do with the Belfast Agreement, but more because of what might be called the Mick McCarthy Manoeuvre.
Now it looks as if Bradley is to try to make a distinction between British Citizens born in different places.
This part stood out for me:
Ms Bradley confirmed that people who consider themselves Irish are not allowed to vote in British referendums.
Consider themselves? I suppose her politics were shaped by appearing in school productions of Oliver.
I consider myself British, Irish, European whatever and so on, I will root for China in the table tennis even.
Classic British/Irish chite-stirring by the Secretary of State.
Irish citizens in north may not be allowed to vote in united Ireland poll
Now personally I have (if I hadn't let my British one lapse) two passports Irish and British (which I used in the past).
I am born in the UK, but not Northern Ireland and my dual nationality is not because of anything to do with the Belfast Agreement, but more because of what might be called the Mick McCarthy Manoeuvre.
Now it looks as if Bradley is to try to make a distinction between British Citizens born in different places.
This part stood out for me:
Ms Bradley confirmed that people who consider themselves Irish are not allowed to vote in British referendums.
Consider themselves? I suppose her politics were shaped by appearing in school productions of Oliver.
I consider myself British, Irish, European whatever and so on, I will root for China in the table tennis even.
Classic British/Irish chite-stirring by the Secretary of State.
Irish citizens in north may not be allowed to vote in united Ireland poll
I think we can all agree,
““The lack of any understanding of the GFA among the current government is getting beyond a joke.””
Flavour
hang the bankers
looking increasingly likely that no deal will indeed happen on April 12 now! it's a win win situation really in terms of destroying the tories. no deal fucks them, as does an extension (which looks like won't be given) into EU election period. there's no way they can succesfully pin the blame on corbs
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Government in general, but Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in particular.
She really is a muppet among muppets.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
No deal fucks everybody. The Labour Party splits in two as Remain cry babies flee blaming them for failing to defend anyone’s interest let alone the working class. You may not care about what Remainers do and that’s something you can chat about with your dwindling Lexit mates.
You are forgetting why the Conservative Party exists. In a world of unregulated, disaster capitalism those are the cockroaches that survive, propped up nicely by a nationalism that can pin the blame for absolutely everything on the EU with you presumably nodding on.
There are no easy wins from here, compromise that enrages the Tories and punctures Brexit probably the best, but a second ref or revoke would stuff them also. In fact no deal is the least of it for them. They get to puff out their chests to the new dawn. May kept her promise, no deal better than a bad one.
andysays
Love and solidarity
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Who is there left to resign? It's pretty much just May, the cat and the coffee machine running the country as far as I can tell.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Supine
Newt Member
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
God his face just makes me want to scoop my eyes out so I never have to see it again.
Yossarian
⏭️
Looks like Peppa may have done the same.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
collectordave
Active Member
Matches the situation though. Must look to include that.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
At this point I would not be at all surprised if the ERG, Corbyn and TIG formed a coalition government, solely to end this worst of all administrations. They are indescribable.
gosub
~#
If she wouldn't listen to her own party it would hardly be strong or stable to start compromising with JeremyOh for fuck's sake
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
I would, seeing as how TIG appear to be People's Vote UKIP in terms of their issue.
Woke Soubry bashing Labour here The People’s Vote campaign is about Brexit, not patching up broken parties | Anna Soubry
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I would be!
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
This was always going to happen and I'm not sure what May thought she could have got out of it. By now it's obvious that she doesn't listen to anyone else and just keeps pushing the same thing again and again - Labour were always going to be able to say that and sound like the adults in the room, and nothing she could counterspin would be believable, even by other Tories. Plus even the attempt damages her even further internally.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
True. Mind you I just heard Starmer on the radio and while he stressed (several times - to avoid saying anything else) that the govt was not prepared to make changes, he also refused to name a single one of the changes Labour had asked for. He also sounded pretty weak, tbh.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It may well be bullshit but in the situation, who is anyone going to believe if they haven't already made their minds up anyway? The FBPE lot will blame Corbyn whatever. The Tories will all blame May, either for talking to him in the first place (far right loons, but there are lots of them) or for being intransigent generally because that's how they've treated them (softer brexit/remain factions). Apart from them, well, one side has submitted their bill to Parliament three times basically unchanged, and they may well be seen as the ones most likely to be frustrating things whatever the details.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
andysays
Love and solidarity
And meanwhile, we're still due to leave a week today with No Deal.
Difficult to see how May expects to get an extension at this stage when there still appears absolutely no prospect of any positive decision...
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Isn't it pretty clear what's happening now? May realises she can't get anything passed in Parliament relating to the actual deal, so is messing about to kill time.
What she wants is for the EU to land the no deal blow, so as she fucks off from the Tories they're left with a narrative about all the problems being because the EU did it - which will suit the headbangers etc
What she wants is for the EU to land the no deal blow, so as she fucks off from the Tories they're left with a narrative about all the problems being because the EU did it - which will suit the headbangers etc
SpineyNorman
Inappropriate content removed
I want to get involved in the brexit creative writing but can't actually be arsed to put any work in so please can we all pretend I copied the first few paragraphs of Marx's 18th Brumaire into a post and inserted the word Brexit and various Brexit references and politicians names in hilariously appropriate places? It was really funny too.
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