Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[cupid_stunt]

Around 50% of veg and 90% (not a typo) of fruit is non-domestic. (A large part is Spanish, they have a proper food industry because of the weather.)

So at this stage there will not be enough food.

Why are you worrying about this?

Are you not in Scotland?

 

[philosophical]

No guesswork mein nationalist friend.

I am neither yours, nor a friend of yours, nor a nationalist.
Hope that helps.

 

[Pickman's model]

Some of us here will remember the (in)famous 1968 'campaign to get people 'buying British'.
Turned out the tee-shirts were made in fash Portugal!

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That's still on my bush-hat...under the stairs.

Bet that's still on your record player in the attic

 

[Pickman's model]

Why are you worrying about this?

Are you not in Scotland?

What vegetables are native to Scotland?

 

[danny la rouge]

What vegetables are native to Scotland?

Stuart Campbell and Tommy Sheridan.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stuart Campbell and Tommy Sheridan.

 

[DexterTCN]

Why are you worrying about this?

Are you not in Scotland?

Why are you not?

 

[butchersapron]

I am neither yours, nor a friend of yours, nor a nationalist.
Hope that helps.

You'd think not.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What vegetables are native to Scotland?

Deep fried Mars bars.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

What vegetables are native to Scotland?

Haggis

 

[chilango]

The apple thing is stupid. I dispise Farage but all he was commenting about there, was about the variety of fruit and vege we've lost due to supermarket buying practises. He was talking to a caller who brought this up. The caller talking about his forebares who grew several different local apple species but couldn't sell them to the supermarkets because uniformity is what's demanded.

I remember reading something out out by Freedom Press making exactly the same point...

 

[paolo]

There’s a guy on here who lives in Surrey, driving an Audi, saying that the German car companies will stop any bad Brexit deal.

 

[prunus]

The apple thing is stupid. I dispise Farage but all he was commenting about there, was about the variety of fruit and vege we've lost due to supermarket buying practises. He was talking to a caller who brought this up. The caller talking about his forebares who grew several different local apple species but couldn't sell them to the supermarkets because uniformity is what's demanded.

The phrase “but all he was commenting about” seems to be excusing the idiocy of his comments on this, but surely the point is that said supermarkets’ demands are absolutely nothing to do with the EU? Ie he uses absolutely any opportunity to lie and blame anything seen as bad on the EU. He is a cunt, a liar, etc.

 

[redsquirrel]

There’s a guy on here who lives in Surrey, driving an Audi, saying that the German car companies will stop any bad Brexit deal.

OK here's your opportunity to make a political point. What does a "bad Brexit deal" look like? As opposed to a "good" one. How are these terms defined?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

There’s a guy on here who lives in Surrey, driving an Audi, saying that the German car companies will stop any bad Brexit deal.

Define bad deal.

Off you go.

Vroom, vroom.

 

[DexterTCN]

There’s a guy on here who lives in Surrey, driving an Audi, saying that the German car companies will stop any bad Brexit deal.

There's a guy on here who posted something along the lines of 'if troops are put on the street they'll go back to their working class roots and overthrow the state'.

 

[mauvais]

I think you should both have a go at that yourselves.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I think you should both have a go at that yourselves.

I think people who bandy around terms like ‘bad deal’ and ‘good deal’ need to state what they mean by that. Shouldn’t be too much to ask.

 

[andysays]

There's a guy on here who posted something along the lines of 'if troops are put on the street they'll go back to their working class roots and overthrow the state'.

 

[mauvais]

I think people who bandy around terms like ‘bad deal’ and ‘good deal’ need to state what they mean by that. Shouldn’t be too much to ask.

That's as may be. But I think that if you're going to reject a view because it doesn't sufficiently define good or bad thresholds, you should be able to do the same.

It's not like it doesn't exist. There's presumably some outcome scenario where you would have to admit it'd been a net negative on your chosen terms, and thus a bad deal. One poster on here has it approximately defined in availability of calories per day. I think that's much more bleak than I'd draw the line at, but it's a start.

You can certainly label the whole thing 'not my circus, not my monkeys', but if you (a general you) are going to even attempt to integrate a position on Brexit into a political outlook that's predominantly concerned with the welfare of others, you should probably have an idea of what set of effects on that welfare makes it acceptable or not. The lack of definition on that is one of the things that pisses me off the most about U75 discussion of Brexit as a positive or neutral.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's as may be. But I think that if you're going to reject a view because it doesn't sufficiently define good or bad thresholds, you should be able to do the same.

It's not like it doesn't exist. There's presumably some outcome scenario where you would have to admit it'd been a net negative on your chosen terms, and thus a bad deal. One poster on here has it approximately defined in availability of calories per day. I think that's much more bleak than I'd draw the line at, but it's a start.

You can certainly label the whole thing 'not my circus, not my monkeys', but if you (a general you) are going to even attempt to integrate a position on Brexit into a political outlook that's predominantly concerned with the welfare of others, you should probably have an idea of what set of effects on that welfare makes it acceptable or not. The lack of that is one of the things that pisses me off the most about U75 discussion of Brexit as a positive or neutral.

It seems that perhaps the timeline is being lost in this;

A pig-fucking PM called it.

The masses voted the way that the establishment hadn’t expected, to the extent that they had done zero preparation for the prospect.

The EU went through all the stages of grief.

The Greeks outlined in detail why we would not get any meaningful deal.

Nearly three years on and we are entering the denouement and there is still no prospect of any deal, cos there really can’t be one.

March 29th will come and go, either May will have capitulated and not actually left the EU or we will
leave with no deal.

Regardless, the sky will not fall in.

 

[Raheem]

Regardless, the sky will not fall in.

So, it turns out you do have a threshold in mind.

 

[mauvais]

Oh the timeline's fine except for what happens if we leave with no deal, which IMO is highly unpredictable in both its likelihood & the outcome of it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So, it turns out you do have a threshold in mind.

Tbf, I have a brolly, so skys falling in would be OK too.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh the timeline's fine except for what happens if we leave with no deal, which IMO is highly unpredictable in both its likelihood & the outcome of it.

I have consistently said that I think we will leave with no deal. Which of course is unpredictable, but as paolo’s snide digs fail to note, the world will keep turning. Audi will keep delivering parts, The City will keep doing whatever the fuck it is that it does. This is the UK, global home to neo-lib economics and its spawn, the EU. For those whose main concern is ‘the economy’, they are demonstrating a woeful lack of understanding as to how capital operates.

 

[Supine]

Tbf, I have a brolly, so skys falling in would be OK too.

But sky falling in really means things like job losses, loss of FOM, opening NHS to further competition, more expensive goods. A brolly wouldn't help with those kind of problems.

 

[brogdale]

The City will keep doing whatever the fuck it is that it does.

Defending that is what it's for, after all.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

But sky falling in really means things like job losses, loss of FOM, opening NHS to further competition, more expensive goods. A brolly wouldn't help with those kind of problems.

Are you suggesting the EU has been buffering the drive to privatise the NHS like?

 

[DexterTCN]

Are you suggesting the EU has been buffering the drive to privatise the NHS like?

This is just pathetic.

Leave won. Answers are fucking required.

Moving the goal-posts shite all over this (page) thread.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Stuart Campbell and Tommy Sheridan.

Nice