Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
You quote me saying it in post #23165. You replied to me saying it and now you're saying I didn't say it? This isn't the fun I thought it was going to be, tbh.Like you didn't say.
Honestly
I'm just not going to bother now. You away and watch the beeb, it's more your cup of tea.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
It looks like the position of Sinn Fein is not one to view as an unintended consequence of all this brexit stuff, but a consequence entirely to be expected, and for brexiters I would suggest a position they would have anticipated if they knew what they were voting for.
That it is repeated endlessly that brexiters knew what they were voting for can only be reliably reduced down to singly and only to leave the European Union. No deals or arrangements of any kind were on the ballot paper.
Leaving means there are two different systems with a border in between sooner or later. Brexiters voted for that border, and Sinn Fein as nationalists have always had one united and independent Ireland as their goal, and are to be expected to oppose that border as much as they can. Really not dramatic or surprising.
I personally don't see the appeal of Nationalism anyway, but as a movement to try to get rid of constraints imposed by outside forces I certainly understand it if other things don't work. That is my understanding of part of the Scottish vote, a feeling that outside interests were constraining those people in a particular area who identify collectively.
I find it ironic that the nationalist aspect of the brexit vote has fired up the other nationalist forces round and about, and conflict seems to be the threat, because the vote (to leave) wasn't about collaboration, and collaboration does not seem to be the main feature of nationalist aspirations. Borders seem to be more important to them.
The diminution of many borders has been a feature of the existence of the EU, and personally I like that. I would agree that the EU has faults and challenges, maybe impossible ones to overcome eventually, but I don't personally see the direction of travel to break the EU up into bite sized chunks as the best approach.
That it is repeated endlessly that brexiters knew what they were voting for can only be reliably reduced down to singly and only to leave the European Union. No deals or arrangements of any kind were on the ballot paper.
Leaving means there are two different systems with a border in between sooner or later. Brexiters voted for that border, and Sinn Fein as nationalists have always had one united and independent Ireland as their goal, and are to be expected to oppose that border as much as they can. Really not dramatic or surprising.
I personally don't see the appeal of Nationalism anyway, but as a movement to try to get rid of constraints imposed by outside forces I certainly understand it if other things don't work. That is my understanding of part of the Scottish vote, a feeling that outside interests were constraining those people in a particular area who identify collectively.
I find it ironic that the nationalist aspect of the brexit vote has fired up the other nationalist forces round and about, and conflict seems to be the threat, because the vote (to leave) wasn't about collaboration, and collaboration does not seem to be the main feature of nationalist aspirations. Borders seem to be more important to them.
The diminution of many borders has been a feature of the existence of the EU, and personally I like that. I would agree that the EU has faults and challenges, maybe impossible ones to overcome eventually, but I don't personally see the direction of travel to break the EU up into bite sized chunks as the best approach.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sinn féin are republicans.
andysays
Love and solidarity
You originally posted it without any comment at all, you twit
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
gosub
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As long as he brings back the gunge tank from Noels House Party I'm sure it will make for an entertaining distraction
grit
an ugly force for good
That should have been sitting td.
You are Robert Browning and I claim my £5.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
JRM spells it out...
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
How they Brought the Good News to Kent of Brex
“I SPRANG to the WhatsApp Group”, said Boris, with glee;
Davis bungled, Raab bungled, they bungled, all three;
‘Good grief!’ cried the watchers, as the government unravelled;
‘Grief!’ echoed all, as the drab chaos travelled,
From front bench to lecturn, to despatch box and the rest,
And into the chaos we galloped abreast.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Scotland is going to be such fun.
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Supine
Newt Member
This looks like a potential avenue for leavers and remainers
Back May’s deal, then hold people’s vote: plan to end Brexit deadlock
Back May’s deal, then hold people’s vote: plan to end Brexit deadlock
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
For leavers who don't want to leave you mean aka remainers. Desperate.
Supine
Newt Member
Obviously some leavers would be scared of another vote, but hey that's democracy in action.
Ideological purity is voiced by the honoroble Rees Mogg.
Ignore the dissenters, the “remoaners”. They trawl over detail, like the invisible ferries, or the NHS (350m), or the companies leaving. The NHS is not important nor are companies. All the remoaners want to do is moan moan.
Ideological purity must happen. Rees Mogg has been clear, and now we must accept this and not question it.
In less than 50 days we will stop foreigners coming to live here.
This is critical to reach purity.
Ignore the dissenters, the “remoaners”. They trawl over detail, like the invisible ferries, or the NHS (350m), or the companies leaving. The NHS is not important nor are companies. All the remoaners want to do is moan moan.
Ideological purity must happen. Rees Mogg has been clear, and now we must accept this and not question it.
In less than 50 days we will stop foreigners coming to live here.
This is critical to reach purity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm talking more of your inability to politically read this nonsense for what it is.
Supine
Newt Member
I might need you to spell it out for me then. It seems like a good idea to me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And there we go. A remainer (sorry, i mean leaver) thinks a plan to stop the UK leaving the EU is a good idea.
mauvais
on reddit or something
It's a shit idea. More dimwitted gambling to try and weasel a way into some political outcome. Why other than to improve your hand do you need to 'back' an outcome to offer a choice on it?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Think there are quite a lot of leavers who don't want to leave in Westminster, though. On that basis, I can see it happening.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
They describe themselves as nationalists too.
Check out what Sinn Fein MEP Martina Anderson said in Thessaloniki on 5th June 2018.
'Sinn Fein is a progressive Irish Republican and proud nationalist party which is committed to the establishment of a united, 32 county, Irish sovereign relublic.'
andysays
Love and solidarity
Which part of the establishment of a united, 32 county, Irish sovereign republic would you have a problem with?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Is some sort of preview of your shit poetry?
I know it's a crazy suggestion but how about you make a political comment.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That was my shit poetry.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
None particularly, it is the concept of Nationalism that I struggle with.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
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