Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[flypanam]

Shows how shit they are too. Least the good Rev wanted to punch the pope this mob....tweet. Weak wankers.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

"The former Ukip leader Nigel Farage, who is planning to launch a new pro-Brexit movement, tweeted in response to Tusk: “After Brexit we will be free of unelected, arrogant bullies like you – sounds like heaven to me.”





At least Tusk is honest.

 

[philosophical]

Tusk is elected by the heads of state of the national Governments. I believe he was opposed by Poland last time. Either way he is not unelected, but then again Farage knows this, but lies are his stock in trade.

 

[redsquirrel]

Tory Bexit must not be questioned.

For the left and the right, we will soon reach ideological purity. Sacrifices, even if they exist and claimed by our enemies, must be made. What is a job if that job is against the will of all? What job or family is worth that?

I thought you were supposed to be a "socialist remainer"?

Or is having some sort of political consistency ideological purity?

 

[butchersapron]

Tusk is elected by the heads of state of the national Governments. I believe he was opposed by Poland last time. Either way he is not unelected, but then again Farage knows this, but lies are his stock in trade.

Can't get more democratic than that!

I bet the process of election was totally open and democratic too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tusk is elected by the heads of state of the national Governments. I believe he was opposed by Poland last time. Either way he is not unelected, but then again Farage knows this, but lies are his stock in trade.

Like the holy roman empire was a democracy

 

[Raheem]

About as democratic as they way Theresa May and Gordon Brown were elected prime minister.

 

[redsquirrel]

Somehow I don't think either butchers or PM would consider the UK parliament democratic.

(And pedantically the prime minister isn't elected, it's simply whoever can command a majority in the HoC.)

EDIT: And while the UK is not democratic (and like most countries has systematically weakened democratic processes over the last 30 years), the EU is even less democratic (and designed to be so)

 

[danny la rouge]

Donald Tusk: “I've been wondering what a special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan on how to carry it out”

You might wonder what his reasons are for saying it out loud, but it’s a rare case of an EU analysis I agree with. Not sure what the controversy is really.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

How bad is it going to get if/when the UK crashes out of the EU with no deal?

 

[Poi E]

Be fine.

 

[ferrelhadley]

How bad is it going to get if/when the UK crashes out of the EU with no deal?

In the short term it will be a pain in the arse for many companies. They hype will prove over cooked but delays and unexpected issues will be a drain. Over the years it will likely see a steady drag on growth and an endless set of mini emergencies. The car and aviation manufacturing industries are likely to take relatively serious hits. There will also likely be a period of inflation as tarrifs kick in and bigger trade blocks like the EU, China and US can drive hard bargains targeting our markets while blocking our access to theirs. Its a layer of friction on trade and headwinds in an era when the UK will be slipping down the ladder of "biggest economies" as the developing world continues to develop. A mid sized economy in a world dominated by what will be the big 3 (EU, US, PRC) for a while till other blocks and countries get to the same size.

 

[Ranbay]

People will probably die and stuff

 

[Ranbay]

LBC will go bust

 

[Ranbay]

Nigel will get his own show on the BBC

 

[Ranbay]

Tickets for bexit fest will be free with with the daily mail

 

[philosophical]

I used the term 'elected', not the term 'democratic'.
Just saying.

 

[Beermoth]

I saw that:
Donald Tusk: 'special place in hell' for those who promoted Brexit without plan

But absolutely no-one had a plan for Brexit though? All parties - bar SNP - voted to have an in/out referendum. None of them anticipated Leave winning and no-one had a plan. The Parliamentary chaos/stagnation/fudge/whatever was inevitable.

 

[kebabking]

How bad is it going to get if/when the UK crashes out of the EU with no deal?

Depends on what you mean by 'bad'.

The Guardian thinks that any interuption of Avacado or chorizo supply is the end of the world, and would justify the hanging of everyone who hasn't written articles for the Guardian decrying brexit.

I voted remain, and I think 'bad' is a widespread and prolonged interuption of medicine supplies, brown/blackouts for weeks, the prolonged absence of basic foodstuffs to the point where average people are on less than 1000 calories a day, fuel for private cars runs out, and the place grids to a halt. I think there is a less than 1% chance that it will get within a mile of this.

My definition of 'catastrophe' is the above, but much worse - 500 calories a day for 3 months, no fuel for police, fire and ambulance and their workers, inflation in the hundreds of %, and widespread looting - but with nothing in the shops, it's looting of people's homes.

A catastrophe is famine, epidemics and the dead paving the streets. Queues at airports don't qualify.

 

[Ranbay]

Cocaine might be cheaper tho?

 

[Supine]

How bad is it going to get if/when the UK crashes out of the EU with no deal?

Somewhere between a clusterfuck and an omnishambles.

 

[Poot]

Somewhere between a clusterfuck and an omnishambles.

That's a relief. I thought we were headed for shitstorm territory.

 

[Sprocket.]

About as democratic as they way Theresa May and Gordon Brown were elected prime minister.

Has any British prime minister ever been elected? I thought all they needed was to be leader of a political party and be an elected MP.

 

[MickiQ]

It's possible that the initial impacts in the first couple of days might be very slight since no-one will known what to do. I have this vision of French customs officials stood around on 30th March saying to each other.
"Are we supposed to search all these trucks or what?"
"Dunno mate, let's just do what we usually do until the gaffer tells us otherwise"
I also have a feeling that things will happen that no-one has planned for, what happens if French fishermen pissed about being told not to fish in UK decided to blockade Calais?

 

[brogdale]

Be fine.

 

[mauvais]

I voted remain, and I think 'bad' is a widespread and prolonged interuption of medicine supplies, brown/blackouts for weeks, the prolonged absence of basic foodstuffs to the point where average people are on less than 1000 calories a day, fuel for private cars runs out, and the place grids to a halt. I think there is a less than 1% chance that it will get within a mile of this.

My definition of 'catastrophe' is the above, but much worse - 500 calories a day for 3 months, no fuel for police, fire and ambulance and their workers, inflation in the hundreds of %, and widespread looting - but with nothing in the shops, it's looting of people's homes.

Are you quoting from some military briefing circa 2003?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I also have a feeling that things will happen that no-one has planned for, what happens if French fishermen pissed about being told not to fish in UK decided to blockade Calais?

We once sunk the entire French navy in an afternoon, reckon we can take a few fishermen.

 

[mauvais]

We once sunk the entire French navy in an afternoon, reckon we can take a few fishermen.

We also lost the Cod Wars, which I'm led to understand was a series of wars against one not particularly large cod.

 

[SpookyFrank]

We also lost the Cod War, which I'm led to understand was a war against one not particularly large cod.

He did have a pointy stick tbf.

 

[brogdale]

But absolutely no-one had a plan for Brexit though? All parties - bar SNP - voted to have an in/out referendum. None of them anticipated Leave winning and no-one had a plan. The Parliamentary chaos/stagnation/fudge/whatever was inevitable.

Well, technically 84% of Parliament voted with the Government to hold an EU referendum. But i think Tusk's point relates to the fact that the 2016 referendum was unique (amongst the 11 UK referendums) in not being a choice between status quo and a worked up proposal for change.