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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
Chz said:
Way derailing here, but... It's a case of what sort of cars Nissan makes changing. All low-end cars (Micra, in their case) have become less reliable in the past ~15 years as the definition of "basic" equipment includes things like traction control, variable valve timing, multiple airbags, satnav, etc... There more things there are to break, the more they break. They're targeting owners who want the fully-loaded experience more, and this brings more things to break in the higher-end vehicles as well.
FWIW, over the past 12 years we've had a K12 Micra and an E11 Note and the only thing that's ever gone wrong was that the Micra needed a new CD player.
Thus ends my derail, I'll start a different thread if I feel the need to talk more about it.
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It's only a partial de-rail though! ;)

I think that's an issue with all modern vehicles with every more complicated features and tech to drive them. Gone are the days when my uncle could fix just about anything wrong on any car with stuff from his garage. But yes, I think some makes and models may be more durable than others.

Not entirely a derail because if there is No Deal, the UK will probably have to do a lot more "make do and mend" for some time, as so many parts for cars and other machinery are imported, and will be harder to get and/or more expensive to bring in to the country. Maybe I should just get a bicycle!
 
Continuing the derail...

The new model X-trail is utter pump compared to the pre-facelift model and the reviews have planned it. They are trying to ape the Range Rover Evoque instead of producing a far superior Land Rover Freelander - if you 'aspire' to an Evoque and can afford an X-trail you'll somehow buy an Evoque, if want a decent SUV with lots of space, practically and value for money you'll no longer buy an X-TRAIL.
 
Reading up on Nissan, they say that they were always going to make the X Trail primarily in Japan, they agreed to make a small percentage in the UK to reaffirm their commitment to Sunderland, now they are pulling out, saying that Brexit uncertainty is not good, which of course it is not, but will be dealt with shortly, however the actual reason for not building here is the UK’s and EU’s downer on diesel cars making it uneconomical to build here when the market for sales of that model has tanked, so they will make in Asia where they can flog ‘em in local countries that are not so fussy about their population being poisoned by Nissan’s products.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Reading up on Nissan, they say that they were always going to make the X Trail primarily in Japan, they agreed to make a small percentage in the UK to reaffirm their commitment to Sunderland, now they are pulling out, saying that Brexit uncertainty is not good, which of course it is not, but will be dealt with shortly, however the actual reason for not building here is the UK’s and EU’s downer on diesel cars making it uneconomical to build here when the market for sales of that model has tanked, so they will make in Asia where they can flog ‘em in local countries that are not so fussy about their population being poisoned by Nissan’s products.
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Don't you just love globalisation?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Reading up on Nissan, they say that they were always going to make the X Trail primarily in Japan, they agreed to make a small percentage in the UK to reaffirm their commitment to Sunderland, now they are pulling out, saying that Brexit uncertainty is not good, which of course it is not, but will be dealt with shortly, however the actual reason for not building here is the UK’s and EU’s downer on diesel cars making it uneconomical to build here when the market for sales of that model has tanked, so they will make in Asia where they can flog ‘em in local countries that are not so fussy about their population being poisoned by Nissan’s products.
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Didn't Japan recently sign a 0% tariff agreement with the EU?

Didn't Japan recently say to the UK that they should reconsider brexit?

At the start of the whole brexit thing Nissan voiced concern over its Sunderland plant and apparently May reassured them at the time and everyone accepted it without knowing what it was.

More jobs gone. How many's that now? How many businesses exiting stage left?
 
DexterTCN said:
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Who'd like to start?
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Clearly, they assume Irish people will be like . . .
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DexterTCN said:
Didn't Japan recently sign a 0% tariff agreement with the EU?

Didn't Japan recently say to the UK that they should reconsider brexit?

At the start of the whole brexit thing Nissan voiced concern over its Sunderland plant and apparently May reassured them at the time and everyone accepted it without knowing what it was.

More jobs gone. How many's that now? How many businesses exiting stage left?
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Who cares to your first point, they won’t be selling many of their polluting X Trails in the EU or the UK.






How many jobs gone from not making a car here that isn’t made here? None.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Who cares to your first point, they won’t be selling many of their polluting X Trails in the EU or the UK...
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Um...if they sell to the EU from the UK there will be a tariff...if they sell directly from Japan there will be no tariff. Why would they keep Sunderland?
 
DexterTCN said:
Um...if they sell to the EU from the UK there will be a tariff...if they sell directly from Japan there will be no tariff. Why would they keep Sunderland?
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No one in the EU will be buying the X Trail, cos the EU has rules that add massive tariffs to polluting diesels, (effectively banned from London with the ULEZ), which is why they won’t build the X Trail in the EU or in the UK. Brexit is nothing to do with Nissan changing its mind on building X Trails in Sunderland. However much you want it to be so.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
No one in the EU will be buying the X Trail, cos the EU has rules that add massive tariffs to polluting diesels, (effectively banned from London with the ULEZ), which is why they won’t build the X Trail in the EU or in the UK. Brexit is nothing to do with Nissan changing its mind on building X Trails in Sunderland. However much you want it to be so.
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Even if the company said so?
 
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