gosub
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I'd have gone for "said that A50 should be invoked the day after the ref. "
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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I'd have gone for "said that A50 should be invoked the day after the ref. "
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We all now know the reality is that the day after the referendum he said that article 50 must be invoked.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
1. Are you familiar with the concept and generally accepted aims of a referendum?
2. Are you aware Labour does not have a majority in Parliament?
3. Did you know Labour had MP's and members and supporters in both camps during the campaign even if their policy was the same as the LD's, Greens, Tories, Scot Nats, Plaid etc?
3. Presumably, your view is Labour wouldn't need a second referendum to kill Brexit as these are merely 'problematic'. Instead they could simply ignore the vote and just crack on? Can you see any problems, for example electorally or in respect of the concept of liberal democracy, that might arise with this approach?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Love it that people have picked up the term “problematic”, but to be fair to philosophical , it was me who brought it into play, (although I was using it sardonically: humour-in-understatement sort of a way).
philosophical
Well-Known Member
yeah, but they come with austerity added.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The point is that by your reasoning (and I use the word in its loosest sense) having campaigned against Brexit in the referendum, the Conservatives should also have stuck to their principles and refused to enact Brexit even though the electorate voted for it.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
1. 'Generally accepted'? No I am not rock solid in my understanding of what that would mean in relation to a referendum.
2. Yes
3. Yes
I did not introduce the concept of 'problematic', I responded to it's use by another poster.
I also said that Labour could've stood aside, let the winners get on with the unicorn chasing, and opposed and shown up what they were doing constantly.
You may think this is a wrong approach, but I would've voted for them because of other policies...mind you I am metropolitan and see it from my perspective.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Nah. The whole shitshow is a Tory thing, they can own the result.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does 'stood aside' mean?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Indeed.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
In this instance it would have been to let the Tories try to do whatever, and to automatically oppose it without explanation.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What does this mean? What does any of that mean? 'let the tories' try to do whatever'?
What do you think has happened?
philosophical
Well-Known Member
What has happened is that Labour has been suckered, or positioned themselves, into feeling like they have to say what they would do. They have been too involved in the Tory brexit narrative in my view, and would have been more appealing to me over brexit if they watched the Tories (doing whatever) without giving them ammunition in the form of the crap Labour brexit 'policy'.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In a way, I agree with you that Labour have been stuck within a parliamentary process, rabbits in the headlights, not much to say. But the way out of that isn't to run back to the neoliberal EU.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you really 60+? Other people and groups have different aims and ends than you. Them not doing what you want them to do to meet your aims and ends is surely an early basic realisation for most people. Repeating over and over that they should do what you want them to do to an end that's yours not theirs is in no way making any sort of political point - or, indeed, showing any understanding of what politics is.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Talking of Labour and Brexit; Gary Younge's piece in today's 'Guardian' reminds us that the party's cornerstone 1997 PPB featured Fritz 'the New Labour bulldog' breaking free (taking back control?) and striding off into the sunlit uplands. Makes yer think...
This really happened, kidz.
This really happened, kidz.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Got to see the text of this article, anyone get round the paywall?
Classic Torygraph! "We'll show Johnny Foreigner by not Leaving and in fact Remaining, wot wot?"
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
That was a shit article too. Good election broadcast tho to be fair!
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I am stating my preference, as others (other people and groups) state theirs. I am not saying what they should do as a kind of order or demand.
As for your saying I don't have any understanding of what politics is, you can think that all day long if it is measured against your personal template, but don't you see the irony in what you're saying?
That I should be aware of the variety of viewpoints of other people and groups, but conform to your singular viewpoint of what politics is.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbf I do think Younge has a point about the timespan and players invloved in embedding core notions of English exceptionalism. Affective notions that the oligarchs have so effectively exploited in their wealth defence.
gosub
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Or stood aside so that Nigel Farage et al could have a go
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
A Rebecca Black tweet on a Friday.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Raheem
Well-Known Member
If you decide to call a bulldog Fritz, don't be surprised if he ends up with a bit of identity confusion.
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