Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Voley]

Lord Protector, surely?

Hmm, not sure that goes far enough.

'God' has a nice ring to it, though.

 

[Voley]

I'm gonna stick this idea up on Twitter. If I get any likes at all I'm declaring it The Will Of The People.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't believe in gods or kings, though Emperor Voley I has a good ring to it...

 

[Wolveryeti]

I have to say I assumed we were past the point of referendum territory, but if they do go for it then I'm a bit nervous about how ugly it could get.

Oh no - gammon/dad's army riot - scary!

Riddle me this though: what will they do when they can't find any unprotected female MPs to harass/stab? Suspect riot police may be a slightly harder target.

 

[danny la rouge]

They're mostly Oxbridge graduates. Very smart.

I've met Oxbridge graduates.

 

[mauvais]

Has anyone suggested breaking the deadlock with a BRINO concession on the EU's part?

I give you: a rename to the European Younion.

To the tune of the Flintstones: goodbye EU, hello Ee You, it's the European Younion. Not a re-do, this is all new, it's the European Newnioooon.

 

[danny la rouge]

In the absence of any functioning democracy I am considering declaring myself King.

I've no policies, I'll make it up as I go along, the whole thing will undoubtedly be a total disaster but it'll still be preferable to what we've got right now.

No gods. No masters. No Voley.

 

[Poi E]

I've met Oxbridge graduates.

And I'm sure they talked the talk.

 

[danny la rouge]

What are the chances of a dictatorship emerging in the UK?
In a no deal situation..

How? What mechanism are you imagining? And why?

 

[danny la rouge]

If that sounds short or sarcastic, that’s not how I meant it. I literally mean, what’s your thinking here?

 

[A380]

 

[Dogsauce]

We do need to rule out a No Deal Brexit and there is a majority in the HoC for it but Corbyn's current tack seems to prioritise splitting the Tories over actually ruling it a No Deal Brexit. Perhaps that will change. He is still smarting a bit from the failure of his slightly premature VONC which might have been better timed for early next week.

Much better to do something positive and practical to avoid and rule out a No Deal Brexit it such as working on motions to extend or revoke Article 50.

I’m sure the right wing press would be on the vinegar strokes if Corbyn stepped in to ‘frustrate Brexit’ by extending/revoking art.50. It’s something that is possibly going to be necessary due to May’s ineptness, but would delight certain people if it was the communist gnome taking the blame. Not going to happen, let Theresa wipe her own arse.

 

[chilango]

I don't know about "dictatorship" but there's a few pretty undemocratic ideas being floated:

• Appointed rather than elected MEPs for the UK should this not be resolved by the upcoming Euro election.
• So-called Citizens Assemblies selected at "random" (like the QT audience?) To play a role in the decision.
• Cross-bench alliances to push remain/BINO through.

Which side is this all coming from? Oh, the side that allowed an unelected government in a major member nation just a few years ago? Yep. That side. Remain ain't exactly the guardian of democracy.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I’m sure the right wing press would be on the vinegar strokes if Corbyn stepped in to ‘frustrate Brexit’ by extending/revoking art.50. It’s something that is possibly going to be necessary due to May’s ineptness, but would delight certain people if it was the communist gnome taking the blame. Not going to happen, let Theresa wipe her own arse.

I can just imagine how shameless the press would be in pinning any delay on Corbyn despite the obvious fact it's May who has fucked this up in every possible way.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[SpookyFrank]

I don't know about "dictatorship" but there's a few pretty undemocratic ideas being floated:

• Appointed rather than elected MEPs for the UK should this not be resolved by the upcoming Euro election.
• So-called Citizens Assemblies selected at "random" (like the QT audience?) To play a role in the decision.
• Cross-bench alliances to push remain/BINO through.

Which side is this all coming from? Oh, the side that allowed an unelected government in a major member nation just a few years ago? Yep. That side. Remain ain't exactly the guardian of democracy.

Is that less democratic than the situation we have now?

FWIW I agree that remain is in general terms no more interested in democracy than leave.

 

[chilango]

Is that less democratic than the situation we have now?

Yep. I think so. I think it's part of a trend away from liberal democracy and towards technocracy.

Not that I think that liberal democracy is particularly democratic either.

FWIW I agree that remain is in general terms no more interested in democracy than leave.

Yep. That was my main point. The EU has a track record of it. The Leavers don't, yet

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yep. I think so. I think it's part of a trend away from liberal democracy and towards technocracy.

Not that I think that liberal democracy is particularly democratic either.



Yep. That was my main point. The EU has a track record of it. The Leavers don't, yet

The leavers do have a track record for cheating in referendums tbf.

 

[killer b]

The leavers do have a track record for cheating in referendums tbf.

as, tbf, do the remainers.

 

[Pickman's model]

as, tbf, do the remainers.

yeh so the thing should be set aside and rerun

 

[killer b]

how cute.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The boring and never ending debate about 'cheating' has one fatal flaw. The Brexit vote is living proof that people don't listen to the professional middle class campaigns of both hues.

 

[danny la rouge]

I’m shocked. Politicians cheating and lying. In elections!

 

[killer b]

I wonder if the mythical free and fair election has ever been sighted in the wild?

 

[andysays]

I’m shocked. Politicians cheating and lying. In elections!

One expects it from Johnny Foreigner, of course, but not the British for goodness sake...

 

[SpookyFrank]

I wonder if the mythical free and fair election has ever been sighted in the wild?

Probably best to just ignore all transgressions then.

I think a lot of people in a lot of places would be glad to have elections which were only as corrupt as the UK's.

 

[tommers]

as, tbf, do the remainers.

I keep seeing this. What did they do?

 

[sleaterkinney]

The boring and never ending debate about 'cheating' has one fatal flaw. The Brexit vote is living proof that people don't listen to the professional middle class campaigns of both hues.

Yes, they listen to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson instead.

 

[killer b]

I keep seeing this. What did they do?

The remain campaign also overspent, lied like fuck at every opportunity, and had a booklet send out by the government to every household in the country detailing why you should vote remain (I wonder how many of those were even opened?)

 

[brogdale]

2 years ago, to the day.
Wearing well?