Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Sasaferrato]

True, but whether it’s him or a deputy speaker they are bound to refer to the house procedures and rules.
Contempt of parliament is something any government should at least try to avoid.

Indeed.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Ah yes...the libdems refusing to support the budget unless the SNP stop campaigning for independence. We'll see how that goes at the next election.

Your party's being propped up by the DUP isn't it? Anti-abortion, homophobic, racists. Well done you.

I have no party allegiance, certainly not the DUP.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The eu didn't prevent the prevention of terrorism act, the 1988 (and indeed1992) local government finance acts, clause 28, the cja, the terrorism act 2000 etc.

To say nothing of that wonderful piece of Labour legislation, RIPA.

 

[DexterTCN]

 

[DotCommunist]

Labour could go VoNC

the numbers tho? Am I right in saying that lab+snp votes for no confidence is not enough to do it without tory rebels? That rare beast etc

 

[brogdale]

the numbers tho? Am I right in saying that lab+snp votes for no confidence is not enough to do it without tory rebels? That rare beast etc

The SNP & LDs have called on Corbyn to do it today...but I think he's waiting on the DUP who might just join if she looked like getting her deal through.
Pretty craven really; they should at least have a go.

 

[Raheem]

To say nothing of that wonderful piece of Labour legislation, RIPA.

Are we now arguing that the EU is shit for not having completely erased all trace of national sovereignty?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I really don't mind - I would rather they revealed themselves now, at least I know with what and with whom I am dealing.


This is like pulling teeth. I'm referring not to the ECHR but the EU Charter, which was rescinded in UK law as part of the Withdrawal Act - do you understand what was in that Charter, which will no longer apply to LGBT people post-Brexit?

If you do understand what rights I am losing, I ask why you would take them away from me without replacing them in UK law?

If you don't understand what rights I am losing, I ask WHY ON EARTH you voted to destroy something that protects LGBT people and their partners within the EU?

As I understand it, all EU law has been encapsulated into UK law, and will be dealt with on a case by case basis after we leave?

Why on earth would any party try and water down or abolish the existing legislation? Forty years ago maybe, but political suicide now.

 

[TopCat]

I don't think gay rights are really a gift of the EU, but I don't think mocking a gay man for being worried about the impact of brexit on his rights is a good look lads.

I kind of agree with you but his position is childish at best. It depends on a complete contempt for all the other interests involved in this and threw insults about ta boot.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Are we now arguing that the EU is shit for not having completely erased all trace of national sovereignty?

Not quite sure what your point is. The Regulatory Powers Act was introduced by Charles Clarke when he was Home Secretary.

 

[TopCat]

There has been far too much reference of these rights only achieved through the EU.
For instance 8 hour shifts etc.
The trade union movement was responsible for most rights in this country.

I think more about the EU insisting on the abolition of collective bargaining for new entrants to the project.

 

[TopCat]

Then there is what they did to the Greeks.
Was this a price worth paying?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Ah yes...the libdems refusing to support the budget unless the SNP stop campaigning for independence. We'll see how that goes at the next election.

Your party's being propped up by the DUP isn't it? Anti-abortion, homophobic, racists. Well done you.

Oh, and don't ascribe views to me I don't hold.

You are either being deliberately obtuse, or remarkably uninformed re your beloved SNP. The reason the putrid fish had to approach the Lib Dems is because her erstwhile allies, the Greens, refused to support the budget without a promise of Council Tax reform. This is something you should have been aware of.

 

[8ball]

Oh, and don't ascribe views to me I don't hold.

This seems to be rife on Brexit threads.

 

[killer b]

The SNP & LDs have called on Corbyn to do it today...but I think he's waiting on the DUP who might just join if she looked like getting her deal through.
Pretty craven really; they should at least have a go.

The SNP and LDs know it wouldn't pass, or they'd call it themselves. Their calls today are for looks is all, hence why they did it on twitter.

If Labour call and lose a VONC, the screaming starts in earnest to get them to commit to a second referendum, the tories get an easy win. I can understand why they'd want to avoid both those things.

 

[DexterTCN]

Oh, and don't ascribe views to me I don't hold.

You are either being deliberately obtuse, or remarkably uninformed re your beloved SNP. The reason the putrid fish had to approach the Lib Dems is because her erstwhile allies, the Greens, refused to support the budget without a promise of Council Tax reform. This is something you should have been aware of.

Not the thread for it.

Also...entirely wrong.

Buuuut...not the thread for it, is it.

 

[gentlegreen]

So she's buggered off to Paris, Berlin and Brussels to go through the motions - all without consulting the house ...

 

[Ranbay]

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[brogdale]

The SNP and LDs know it wouldn't pass, or they'd call it themselves. Their calls today are for looks is all, hence why they did it on twitter.

If Labour call and lose a VONC, the screaming starts in earnest to get them to commit to a second referendum, the tories get an easy win. I can understand why they'd want to avoid both those things.

Agree about the minor party grandstanding, but they did both call on Corbyn to do this in the debate (?) this afternoon...as well as twitter. Waiting for the DUP will leave things too late I feel.

 

[Sasaferrato]

The SNP and LDs know it wouldn't pass, or they'd call it themselves. Their calls today are for looks is all, hence why they did it on twitter.

If Labour call and lose a VONC, the screaming starts in earnest to get them to commit to a second referendum, the tories get an easy win. I can understand why they'd want to avoid both those things.

Yes, and in the meantime, whilst our elected representative are going round knifing one another, the populace swings in the wind.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Agree about the minor party grandstanding, but they did both call on Corbyn to do this in the debate (?) this afternoon...as well as twitter. Waiting for the DUP will leave things too late I feel.

The DUP hold the whip. They are enjoying a level of power beyond their wildest dreams. Rearrange these words... Christmas for turkeys vote don't.

 

[Calamity1971]

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So she's buggered off to Paris, Berlin and Brussels to go through the motions - all without consulting the house ...

Stephen barclays disappearing act was quite funny.

 

[brogdale]

The DUP hold the whip. They are enjoying a level of power beyond their wildest dreams. Rearrange these words... Christmas for turkeys vote don't.

If May persists with her 'deal' and Corbyn offers a whole UK customs arrangement...it could well be in their interest to join a VoNC.

 

[gentlegreen]

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Stephen barclays disappearing act was quite funny.

It's almost charming and normal compared to the way the French do business...

REPLAY. "Gilets jaunes" : regardez en intégralité l'allocution d'Emmanuel Macron

 

[Calamity1971]

Ay up. Corbyn back in da house with emergency debate application...

 

[brogdale]

Ay up. Corbyn back in da house with emergency debate application...

Govt. have still got away with it.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Then there is what they did to the Greeks.
Was this a price worth paying?

How will Brexit change that?

 

[TopCat]

How will Brexit change that?

Leaving sends a clear message that we don't agree with EU policy such as this?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

So she's buggered off to Paris, Berlin and Brussels to go through the motions - all without consulting the house ...

time to close the border

 

[Sasaferrato]

If May persists with her 'deal' and Corbyn offers a whole UK customs arrangement...it could well be in their interest to join a VoNC.

Perhaps. Corbyn isn't in a position to offer anything, at the moment, and I don't see a Labour government cosying up to the DUP.