Are there many high rise flats/multi-storeys where you live?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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mojo pixy
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I think I mean, when and how is ''leaving the EU'' going to be reclaimed for eg reason and social justice? It's not an inherently stupid thing to do, but there is zero sign of anything but idiotic plans for doing it, that benefit nobody except the people you'd expect it to benefit, that is the people who made it happen.
What is going to get better next year after we leave? I mean, for people like me and maybe also you. On minimum wage, paying half of it each month as rent, trying to bring up and educate children. All I'm seeing is cut off nose and not much face.
Not sure that specialist TB hospitals are needed. Are they? Is genuine question, honestly. Is that the best way to deal with it?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
I'm sure I have posted something like this before, but think the options are
a) yes, go ahead with this deal
b) no, this deal is not 'hard brexit' enough
c) no, this deal is not 'soft brexit' enough
d) no, stay in the EU instead
e) yes, i can't face this shit for the next few years
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You can put anything you like on a ballot paper. You don't necessarily need to have a clue whether it can be achieved or not. Surely, if we have learned anything over the course of the whole Brexit soap, we've learned that.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
No, what’s your point caller?Are there many high rise flats/multi-storeys where you live?
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Well people voted to leave the European Union, which can certainly be achieved. You don’t want to leave the European Union though, that doesn’t mean leaving the European Union can’t be achieved. And before you start we didn’t tick “give 350 million to the NHS” on that notorious day either.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
If the EU changed its name to ‘European Federation’ or something like that, could the UK then be said to no longer be a member of the EU and therefore the referendum result has been satisfied? An easy way to resolve things with only a bit of new stationary/signage to pay for.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I can see a scenario where we float that idea. The EU will then suggest that the UK change its name instead. Theresa May will loudly insist that it's out of the question, for about a fortnight, before agreeing and then insisting that the UK is, in some technical sense, not changing its name so it's actually a great victory for her. Then, constitutional crisis cos Jacob RM's not happy. After that, second referendum.
I’d imagine if it was more than two options it’d be a preference vote, so you’d vote 1/2/3 in order of preference then they’d eliminate the least popular option, then reallocate it’s votes to pick a winner.
Alex
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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philosophical
Well-Known Member
All the future options the UK now faces are chite options, including remain.
It is probably true that another national vote is the best of the worst, but it is still a crap option which will further divide.
It is probably true that another national vote is the best of the worst, but it is still a crap option which will further divide.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Shite. They are shite options.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
My guess is that a ref with that format would be nailed-on remain. Transferable votes of this kind make the least-hated option the winner. Most people who voted remain last time would vote remain again. A chunk of those who voted leave last time would vote remain as a second pref.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It can't be negotiated by this lacklustre government. And it's the only government we have.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
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Starry Wisdom
I'd give you a chit if I gave a shit
The Fornicator
Active Member
I'm not sure people inside their liberal bubble appreciate the extent to which many see a second ref as a challenge to democracy itself. People used to laugh when the Irish did this - keep voting until the political establishment got the right answer. In this thread it's gliby bandied about like a sensible, almost inevitable, course of action. Liberals in action. Esp. te BBC.
There won't be just anger if this were to be proposed, the non-metropolitan *country* will be outraged. If you put together the scale of the Iraqi war protest, the outrage of the poll tax and the determination of the miners strike - I have a strong sense that is what would come to London, and not to march but to occupy: a principled stand against the manipulation of democratic process. It's difficult to understand how people think you just override a national vote ... because politicians on both sides told fibs.
Even though metropolitan, educated liberals do truly sincerely know whats best for everyone, you really can't glibly fuck around with this stuff.
There won't be just anger if this were to be proposed, the non-metropolitan *country* will be outraged. If you put together the scale of the Iraqi war protest, the outrage of the poll tax and the determination of the miners strike - I have a strong sense that is what would come to London, and not to march but to occupy: a principled stand against the manipulation of democratic process. It's difficult to understand how people think you just override a national vote ... because politicians on both sides told fibs.
Even though metropolitan, educated liberals do truly sincerely know whats best for everyone, you really can't glibly fuck around with this stuff.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The Irish. Not the Danish who did it first. Your slip's showing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Diamond will become a law professor and Orang utan a BNP councillor before your fantasy of london being occupied by enraged brexiters takes place
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Because things have changed. At the time of the One Vote That Rules Them All I remember saying to my wife “I've voted, but I don't feel like I know what for". The govt has gone out and found out what the deal is. Why is a vote, now people are better informed, a bad idea?
How is having a vote anti-democratic?
You're assuming that remain would win. I'm not sure it would. I've become more leave since the OVTRTA. I think it's become much clearer what our relationship to the EU is really.
How is having a vote anti-democratic?
You're assuming that remain would win. I'm not sure it would. I've become more leave since the OVTRTA. I think it's become much clearer what our relationship to the EU is really.
The Fornicator
Active Member
I'm not assuming anything. I am asserting that if you voted in the first ref - and fwiw I abstained - you are implicitly bound to accept the outcome. No one goes into a voting booth saying to themselves 'I'll only accept the outcome if it's the one I want'.
We've all been lied too and deceived by 2nd rate politicians our entire adult lives. Nothing new here. No bogus liberal moral highground to chest beat from.
We've all been lied too and deceived by 2nd rate politicians our entire adult lives. Nothing new here. No bogus liberal moral highground to chest beat from.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think it's also clear what numpties the government is. That they cannot supply what the vote demanded. That they won't explore all options. That they're more interested in the interests of their miserable party than those of the country.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Both of them have been a bit quiet recently, I wondered what they'd been up to
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Justignorethelast12hoursiwasrummedup
I can see both of those things happening before the country is out of this particular fine mess.
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