HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
It’s been used several times on here, I’m not making a list or anything chill.
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
You were replying to LBJ who I have not noticed reducing things to simplistic 'divorce comparisons'.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I know I was, and I’m not entirely arsed about the details, LBJ can get fucked if he thinks poor people enduring more poverty are guilty of self mutilation.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh but you're not the world's most observant person
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Wait till you see what they come out with next
prunus
Tick tock.
Brexit is not going to be ‘done’ for a decade or more; whatever the outcome from this point, the arguments (and analogies) aren’t going to stop. My own personal pithy metaphor: we’re fucked.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Generally, when self harm is discussed, the point is not to ascribe 'guilt' to those engaging in it.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
This is the first polling I've seen that actually simulates a STV 2nd ref, with Remain, Maydeal, Nodeal as the options:
Deal or No Deal or Remain | Deltapoll
Remain would win 1st prefs, but not with a majority. Maydeal would win 56:44 after the 2nd round.
The numbers contain a large number of Don't Know (22%) and Won't Vote (18%) responses, so really it'd be anyone's guess.
Deal or No Deal or Remain | Deltapoll
Remain would win 1st prefs, but not with a majority. Maydeal would win 56:44 after the 2nd round.
The numbers contain a large number of Don't Know (22%) and Won't Vote (18%) responses, so really it'd be anyone's guess.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
This is the first polling I've seen that actually simulates a STV 2nd ref, with Remain, Maydeal, Nodeal as the options:
Deal or No Deal or Remain | Deltapoll
Remain would win 1st prefs, but not with a majority. Maydeal would win 56:44 after the 2nd round.
The numbers contain a large number of Don't Know (22%) and Won't Vote (18%) responses, so really it'd be anyone's guess.
Christ that's extremely unhelpful isn't it? Surprised to see remain - no deal - May deal polling so highly, as that's perhaps the daftest of all the options.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
But anchoring the posts is my favourite bit.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
Perhaps the hope is that parliament will chicken out of actually doing a runner and they'll be forced to opt for remain ...
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It’s the theory that we’re best off either in or out and that a compromise is the worst of both worlds
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
That's very interesting - most Remainiacs are utterly convinced that a second ref would deliver a result for remain. Mind you, they are afflicted with widespread delusion. I saw a toe-curling thread on twitter last might where David Milliband made some remark about Brexit being damaging, and there were remainers responding literally begging him to come back into politics in order to solve all their problems. If you think David Milliband is the answer you are asking some very wrong questions.This is the first polling I've seen that actually simulates a STV 2nd ref, with Remain, Maydeal, Nodeal as the options:
Deal or No Deal or Remain | Deltapoll
Remain would win 1st prefs, but not with a majority. Maydeal would win 56:44 after the 2nd round.
The numbers contain a large number of Don't Know (22%) and Won't Vote (18%) responses, so really it'd be anyone's guess.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
A link to that thread, if you can bear it
alsoknownas
some bloke
Hold-on, how does it work though? Would you be compelled to have a transferable option, or could you just, say, back remain? Not sure I'd want to endorse other options by proxy.
If 1 preference only is acceptable, then does the poll reflect that option? *confused*
If 1 preference only is acceptable, then does the poll reflect that option? *confused*
Re d'Ancona's article, link on previous page, and my rubbish 
late post in response to Smokeandsteam 's :
He's a Tory who's hardly worth defending, very true, so if I make the effort to point out one or two valid points that he did actually make, that won't get a great reaction here. I'd rather not attempt it, because most of his article was shite (I've just re-read it now, and ahem! )
I'm not even sure now why I posted that previous post** last night
**I won't delete it, but I'm just going to leave it.
late post in response to Smokeandsteam 's :He's a Tory who's hardly worth defending, very true, so if I make the effort to point out one or two valid points that he did actually make, that won't get a great reaction here. I'd rather not attempt it, because most of his article was shite (I've just re-read it now, and ahem!
)I'm not even sure now why I posted that previous post** last night
**I won't delete it, but I'm just going to leave it.
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Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I think this is one of the reasons nobody will actually call a second ref. If you are the person who put the question to the country a second time, and the answer came back the same, your career would be over. Absolutely everybody would be fucked off with you.
It wouldn't make any difference. Your second vote only takes effect once your first vote has been knocked out. If you voted remain first, the only way your second vote would count is once remain has already been taken off the table.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
An idle thought creeps into my brain.
For those who saw in Brexit a chance to "fuck shit up" - both in a cynical Leftish view and in in the more visceral "up yours" response the referendum provoked in many places, would a second referendum be an opportunity to add to this? Especially if (and it's a big if) a secise referendum were to deepen discontent and bring it to the streets?
Is this a possible reason to goad on a "people's vote" campaign?
Or am I really, really reaching here to find something in this otherwise utterly dispiriting spectacle to cling on to?
For those who saw in Brexit a chance to "fuck shit up" - both in a cynical Leftish view and in in the more visceral "up yours" response the referendum provoked in many places, would a second referendum be an opportunity to add to this? Especially if (and it's a big if) a secise referendum were to deepen discontent and bring it to the streets?
Is this a possible reason to goad on a "people's vote" campaign?
Or am I really, really reaching here to find something in this otherwise utterly dispiriting spectacle to cling on to?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if the ruling class have learnt anything from the previous cock-up, they will have learnt to insert a clause in the legislation for any second referendum saying remain will win unless there's something like a 60-40 vote against.An idle thought creeps into my brain.
For those who saw in Brexit a chance to "fuck shit up" - both in a cynical Leftish view and in in the more visceral "up yours" response the referendum provoked in many places, would a second referendum be an opportunity to add to this? Especially if (and it's a big if) a secise referendum were to deepen discontent and bring it to the streets?
Is this a possible reason to goad on a "people's vote" campaign?
Or am I really, really reaching here to find something in this otherwise utterly dispiriting spectacle to cling on to?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I'm sceptical that there'll be a second referendum at all. I'm even more sceptical that if there was, there'd be a three-option set of preferences with no deal included.
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