OK, so those "ordinary folk" who supported Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Kim Jung-un, Chavez, Castro etc are better off, are they?
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OK, so those "ordinary folk" who supported Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Kim Jung-un, Chavez, Castro etc are better off, are they?
Straw man
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
give it long enough and we'll get 'pinochet had it right'
coley
Well-Known Member
Whey, the Nazis were the National 'socialists' and its claimed the communist party of China are a 'Capitalist'
command economy'
Shout 'hoose' now
Or 'bingo' in the more rarefied parts of the world.
coley
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coley
Well-Known Member
What's "still on the cards"?Junker and Barnier threatening to hold Poland to its EU obligations? Or the other states in the area to dismantle their barbed wire fences and treat refugees like human beings?
If anything has become glaringly obvious of late, it's the EUs obsession with money, wringing the last pound of flesh from Greece and sticking us for as much as they can get, while voicing hypocritical 'concerns' about citizens rights and the Irish border.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Lastest bit of hubris from EU. UK kicked out of the European city of culture. EU now believe they can redraw the map of Europe.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
It’s an EU project. The rules clearly state that you need to be a member state of the EU in order to take part. The hubris is on the part of the UK.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
It’s logically impossible for the Irish border problem to be solved if the UK decides to leave the customs union.
This has been all over Twitter and summarises the position nicely:
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
It's open to EFTA members as well; there is still time to sneak back in.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Looks like Boris put pressure on cities in 2016 to carry on with comp
Boris Johnson raises concerns as Government considers abandoning 2023 European Capital of Culture duties
Boris Johnson raises concerns as Government considers abandoning 2023 European Capital of Culture duties
not-bono-ever
meh
Also those on the waiting list for entry - Like Turkey (lolz)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as you well know i meant paying for access to the single market and customs union without having a seat at the top table.
gosub
~#
reentering the EU as we need to encourage people to visit Milton Keynes is definitely in the baps, bagels, and muffins category - a type of toast I hadn't considered when I decided I didn't want toast , but the answer is still no toast.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Yes, this will be Reykjavik in 2000 Stavanger in 2008 & Istanbul in 2010 then? The EU can of course make the rules up as it goes along. This is an arts/cultural thing that could be kept outside politics. Instead of trying to accomodate a democratic decision of a member state the EU the EU shows itself again how nasty & mean spirited it is being over this. If it was serious about trying to reach a deal with UK it would not be as petty as this.
As well as disrespecting a democratic decision of a member state it is also disrespecting the 48% of UK voters that voted remain. Something the remainers are missing perhaps?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
oh look someone defining culture and then excluding others from it. New feeling for the booj I suppose
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
how do you think arts and culture are not inherently political?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Like it or not, the decision to set up a City of Culture thing was political. It was set up to help to foster a sense of unity within the EU. There are few things I could care less about, but why would the UK want to remain part of it? Why should they be allowed to? Presumably there's some kind of budget set aside for this from the EU. Maybe the UK wants to stay part of this bit of the EU and would like to contribute? What other parts would they like to stay part of? Not the bits that have the richer countries helping the poorer countries - that part of fostering European unity is one they don't want.
Can't have your cake and eat it - either they want out of the EU or not.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
However you view it this is a mean spirited act that shows what a bunch of cunts the EU are. There was no need to add this to the mix at all. It will achieve nothing. Unless the EU believe they have the power to redraw the map of the world then best they rename it the EU city of culture.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This is just waffle. It's an EU thing. They set it up.
not-bono-ever
meh
mean spirited or financially pragmatic ?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The EU state that trade can not be discussed until the Irish border issue is resolved, but as the issue with the border is how to trade across it, that problem can't be resolved until trade is discussed.
The EU are not looking to make a deal with the UK, they want to string us along and fuck us up as much as they can in the process. Telling them to go whistle today saves us the
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
We = the UK.
If the UK carries on playing the EU's game, once March 2019 arrives we will have shovelled a fortune to the EU and they will tell us to go whistle. As has been discussed at length, customs systems need to be in place from day one if we are to leave the customs union, rather than give Junker £40bn the UK should be spending on making sure it is in a state to trade the day after it leaves the EU.
Or else it will be fucked.
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