Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Calamity1971]

I've seen it twice here (rural) in a few years. They were knocking on my neighbours door who was out, they suspected she was using red diesel for her horsebox. They were particularly nasty, arrogant pricks. Said they had the right to gain entry to her house without her there? They made the police look like some sort of Mary Poppins outfit.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I've seen it twice here (rural) in a few years. They were knocking on my neighbours door who was out, they suspected she was using red diesel for her horsebox. They were particularly nasty, arrogant pricks. Said they had the right to gain entry to her house without her there? They made the police look like some sort of Mary Poppins outfit.

Customs can do what the fuck they like.

Knock, knock.

 

[Sprocket.]

It's Customs (HMRC) who do it, mainly in very rural areas where farms get red diesel delivered and people may be tempted to use that for their personal transportation needs.

Used to happen to me regularly when I worked for a plant hire company!

 

[kebabking]

One of the farmers round here got done for flogging it to Taxi drivers. Taxi drivers got done as well, as did a garage that did 'flushing' services for said taxi drivers....

 

[cupid_stunt]

Do you think that every person and driver of every vehicle will have completed a web form, simple or not, for every time they cross the border?
What happens to those who cross without having completed such internet stuff?

It would not apply to every vehicle, they would only be looking at the major transport companies & people making regular crossings in sizeable vehicles, not Joe Public in a fucking mini or little van, which part of 'there's a long tradition of smuggling across the border, it leaks like hell, nowt would stop that, not even 'hard border checks' on the main roads', do you not understand?

I am sure I've pointed this out, to you, before - less than 10% of goods coming into the UK from non-EU countries are actually subject to physical checks.

Are you seriously as thick as you are coming across on here?

 

[xenon]

Red diesel. Does the thing of running it through a loaf of bread work?

 

[Sprocket.]

Does the thing of running it through a loaf of bread work?

No, allegedly officer.

 

[kebabking]

...Are you seriously as thick as you are coming across on here?

Not thick perhaps - but worse: massively, and deliberately ignorant of anything that happens outside of the M25.

Perhaps he writes for the Guardian...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Customs can do what the fuck they like.

Knock, knock.

Yep, more power of entry than the police.

I think Dr. Furface will be suitably convinced that 'dipping' is not unusual, considering the various replies above.

 

[Sprocket.]

Yep, more power of entry than the police.

I think Dr. Furface will be suitably convinced that 'dipping' is not unusual, considering the various replies above.

I once got pulled by Humberside’s finest, for a dodgy rear light. They tried to dip my tank with a fairy liquid bottle with clear tube on it. The tube was already stained and I said that it would contaminate my tank, I requested someone from customs and excise to come along. They sent me off with a producer note and filthy looks.

 

[killer b]

John Bull's latest is glorious. Click through for the thread.

 

[Dr. Furface]

Thanks for all your replies. I’m still gobsmacked, though I know I shouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thanks for all your replies. I’m still gobsmacked, though I know I shouldn’t be surprised.

Yeh at this point all capacity for surprise should have gone

 

[TopCat]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

It's not that rare.
Eta read the thread.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I once got pulled by Humberside’s finest, for a dodgy rear light. They tried to dip my tank with a fairy liquid bottle with clear tube on it. The tube was already stained and I said that it would contaminate my tank, I requested someone from customs and excise to come along. They sent me off with a producer note and filthy looks.

Blimey, I've never heard of the police being interested, normally they are just sucked in to support customs.

 

[Sprocket.]

Blimey, I've never heard of the police being interested, normally they are just sucked in to support customs.

I think they were just trying it on, they also advised I get a sign on my van, cos I looked like a traveller! They used other words though!

 

[philosophical]

It would not apply to every vehicle, they would only be looking at the major transport companies & people making regular crossings in sizeable vehicles, not Joe Public in a fucking mini or little van, which part of 'there's a long tradition of smuggling across the border, it leaks like hell, nowt would stop that, not even 'hard border checks' on the main roads', do you not understand?

I am sure I've pointed this out, to you, before - less than 10% of goods coming into the UK from non-EU countries are actually subject to physical checks.

Are you seriously as thick as you are coming across on here?

So a sizeable vehicle crosses the border, or a container lorry, and there is no internet presence from them discovered through the use of (presumably) cameras, or other devices. What do the authorities do? Check 10% of them, wave them through, ignore them, have a cross country chase, track them to wherever?
If they are not to be ignored then some kind of control (possibly sanction) system would be need to be in place linked in some way to the presence of the border?
That would be something that isn't in place at the moment.
I think you are missing the point I am making, but details of things like red diesel checks are posted on this thread, and I am trying to follow details that follow a formal border to discover if there is some kind of conclusion.
Incidentally I think it simply can't happen in practice, and as a result one of the main planks of brexit (apparently) won't happen.

 

[philosophical]

Not thick perhaps - but worse: massively, and deliberately ignorant of anything that happens outside of the M25.

Perhaps he writes for the Guardian...

You are mistaken in your assumption regarding me.

 

[kebabking]

You are mistaken in your assumption regarding me.

And yet....

 

[cupid_stunt]

So a sizeable vehicle crosses the border, or a container lorry, and there is no internet presence from them discovered through the use of (presumably) cameras, or other devices. What do the authorities do? Check 10% of them, wave them through, ignore them, have a cross country chase, track them to wherever?
If they are not to be ignored then some kind of control (possibly sanction) system would be need to be in place linked in some way to the presence of the border?
That would be something that isn't in place at the moment.
I think you are missing the point I am making, but details of things like red diesel checks are posted on this thread, and I am trying to follow details that follow a formal border to discover if there is some kind of conclusion.
Incidentally I think it simply can't happen in practice, and as a result one of the main planks of brexit (apparently) won't happen.

The EU agreed at least a couple of months ago that “most checks [should they be required] can take place away from the border: at the company premises or in the markets”, why are you still trying to make an issue about something that can be so easily be resolved, and isn't actually a real problem?

FFS, this isn't rocket science, we can send people into space, dealing with this is a piece of piss in comparison.

Whatever happens, there will be no hard border on the island of Ireland.

 

[philosophical]

The EU agreed at least a couple of months ago that “most checks [should they be required] can take place away from the border: at the company premises or in the markets”, why are you still trying to make an issue about something that can be so easily be resolved, and isn't actually a real problem?

FFS, this isn't rocket science, we can send people into space, dealing with this is a piece of piss in comparison.

Whatever happens, there will be no hard border on the island of Ireland.

As you suggest 'most' as I am saying 'but not all'.
If we can send people into space and dealing with this is a piece of piss, then it ought to be possible to explain how the piece of piss would happen. I bet rocket scientists are able to explain how their rockets work.
Checks at company premises, or markets assume that stuff flowing across a border are connected to a company, a company that has premises, or heading to and from a market, but what if they're not?

 

[cupid_stunt]

As you suggest 'most' as I am saying 'but not all'.
If we can send people into space and dealing with this is a piece of piss, then it ought to be possible to explain how the piece of piss would happen. I bet rocket scientists are able to explain how their rockets work.
Checks at company premises, or markets assume that stuff flowing across a border are connected to a company, a company that has premises, or heading to and from a market, but what if they're not?

The vast majority of trips back & forth across that border are by a fairly small number of operators.

Some individuals will continue with small scale smuggling, as they have since Ireland was divided, there's no way of stopping that, with about 300 roads crossing the border, nothing can stop that - not even a so-called 'hard border.

How many fucking times do I have to point this out to you?

 

[DexterTCN]

The vast majority of trips back & forth across that border are by a fairly small number of operators...

Link?

 

[TopCat]

If prices are markedly different on either side of the border, smuggling will increase.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Link?

google is your friend.

 

[philosophical]

The vast majority of trips back & forth across that border are by a fairly small number of operators.

Some individuals will continue with small scale smuggling, as they have since Ireland was divided, there's no way of stopping that, with about 300 roads crossing the border, nothing can stop that - not even a so-called 'hard border.

How many fucking times do I have to point this out to you?

How many ways can I point out to you that if future arrangements are different from the arrangements now, then it is a border that is different to the one now?

 

[andysays]

How many ways can I point out to you that if future arrangements are different from the arrangements now, then it is a border that is different to the one now?

Rather than having a go at cupid_stunt (or anyone else on this thread) maybe you should take all this up with the EU negotiators who, according to today's announcement of an agreed political declaration, are quite happy with the proposal to use technology to ensure there is no need for the Northern Ireland backstop to be used.

Where on earth did you get the idea that there wouldn't be a border arrangement that was in some way different to that which exists now?

 

[DexterTCN]

google is your friend.

You're made a claim, you should be able to back it up.

Perfectly reasonable request.

 

[Poi E]

they also advised I get a sign on my van, cos I looked like a traveller!

This is useful info to avoid untethered pigs on the highway.

 

[philosophical]

Rather than having a go at cupid_stunt (or anyone else on this thread) maybe you should take all this up with the EU negotiators who, according to today's announcement of an agreed political declaration, are quite happy with the proposal to use technology to ensure there is no need for the Northern Ireland backstop to be used.

Where on earth did you get the idea that there wouldn't be a border arrangement that was in some way different to that which exists now?

I got the idea from the Belfast Agreement. And subsequent events following that agreement.