Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[HoratioCuthbert]

maybe they never had the fucking numbers and it's all been hot air?

I thought we established pages ago there was no numbers can someone alert me when something actually happens cause it’s all gone a bit twitter

Just realised there’s 113 msgs after this

I'm beginning to think some of these politician chappies don't actually know what they are doing. I had such high hopes for young Mr Grace Rees-Mogg.

It’s almost as if that shrewd character we see in all the films that can second guess everyone’s moves up to 70 moves ahead doesn’t really exist and the whole shebang might collapse at any moment cause we are at the mercy of very rich gamblers.

 

[Poi E]

It's one of the better democracies for your money. Well, a square mile of it, anyway.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It's one of the better democracies for your money. Well, a square mile of it, anyway.

The more you let them off with, the harder it will be to fight back should passive aggressive become proper aggressive.

 

[Poi E]

No, I mean you get a lot of democracy for your money.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I mean you get a lot of democracy for your money.

No, you spend a lot of money for fuck all democracy

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I mean you get a lot of democracy for your money.

I know someone who lives in a col flat and the amount of shit he's gone through to get a problem fixed is unbelievable. And of course tho they're his landlord he's no vote for the corporation. A lot of democracy my arse

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry I was being chatty


THIS IS WHAT I LOOK LIKE WHEN I AM BEING CHATTY

You need to put something over your caps lock to prevent it being turned on accidentally

 

[andysays]

I know someone who lives in a col flat and the amount of shit he's gone through to get a problem fixed is unbelievable. And of course tho they're his landlord he's no vote for the corporation. A lot of democracy my arse

I think what Poi E was suggesting is that you only really benefit from 'democracy' if you have plenty of money

 

[Pickman's model]

I think what Poi E was suggesting is that you only really benefit from 'democracy' if you have plenty of money

if you've plenty of money you don't benefit from 'democracy', you ride roughshod over it

 

[ffsear]

This is doing the rounds...

could well be fake..

 

[TopCat]

This is doing the rounds...

could well be fake..

Have you read it?

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is doing the rounds...

could well be fake..

TLDR

Just give me the bit I'm supposed to be angry about.

 

[Winot]

Just give me the bit I'm supposed to be angry about.

British passports *are* going to be blue, but they're going to be half the size as before to reflect our diminished position on the world stage.

 

[Pickman's model]

TLDR

Just give me the bit I'm supposed to be angry about.

just the words

 

[philosophical]

On the news I heard something about a technical solution to the Irish border being on the table in some way.
Previously the mantra was something along the lines of 'we have different currencies, there is already a 'border' for a few (minor?) things, there will be a trusted trader scheme, exemptions for local businesses, paperless carnets, and 'technology'.'
All very aspirational (and unrealistic given the physical Geography), but the difficult question arises when there are transgressions.
Vehicles and people with no ID, those outside any schemes, moody stuff being transferred to and fro. What kind of infrastructure will be in place to monitor the border, and if there is any, does that not constitute a 'hard' border, and would it be at odds with the GFA?
If it was so straightforward how come there is still this 11th hour shenanigans?
Any solution presently suggested will unravel very quickly.

 

[cupid_stunt]

On the news I heard something about a technical solution to the Irish border being on the table in some way.
Previously the mantra was something along the lines of 'we have different currencies, there is already a 'border' for a few (minor?) things, there will be a trusted trader scheme, exemptions for local businesses, paperless carnets, and 'technology'.'
All very aspirational (and unrealistic given the physical Geography), but the difficult question arises when there are transgressions.
Vehicles and people with no ID, those outside any schemes, moody stuff being transferred to and fro. What kind of infrastructure will be in place to monitor the border, and if there is any, does that not constitute a 'hard' border, and would it be at odds with the GFA?
If it was so straightforward how come there is still this 11th hour shenanigans?
Any solution presently suggested will unravel very quickly.

The EU agreed weeks ago to the principle of any checks being away from the border, which would cover the vast majority of transactions.

There's a long tradition of smuggling across the border, it leaks like hell, nowt would stop that, not even 'hard border checks' on the main roads.

 

[philosophical]

The EU agreed weeks ago to the principle of any checks being away from the border, which would cover the vast majority of transactions.

There's a long tradition of smuggling across the border, it leaks like hell, nowt would stop that, not even 'hard border checks' on the main roads.

There may be non smugglers who are still outside schemes. How do they get checked?

 

[Pickman's model]

There may be non smugglers who are still outside schemes. How do they get checked?

outside schemes, like outdoor relief?

 

[hash tag]

There is no need to panic or worry, Tim, nice but Dim is going on tour to explain eveverthings gonna be alright
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/wetherspoons-boss-tim-martin-pub-tour-no-deal-brexit/

 

[Dr. Furface]

There is no need to panic or worry, Tim, nice but Dim is going on tour to explain eveverthings gonna be alright
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/wetherspoons-boss-tim-martin-pub-tour-no-deal-brexit/

He’s not nice and he’s not dim either. No deal Brexit is perfect for his downmarket business strategy - the economy tanks, the £ devalues again, and much of the mid-range of the leisure industry goes bust. And bad news for his employees whose salaries, rights and other employment opportunities will all be diminished. He’ll be laughing though. The cunt.

 

[flypanam]

There may be non smugglers who are still outside schemes. How do they get checked?

I was talking to my dad on the weekend. He was stopped by a joint Guards, Customs, and Oglaigh na hEireann at the weekend, they were checking for agri diesel in motors.

I suspect the checks will take place in the same way they always have, at the end of a barrel of a gun in the North and by some jumped up bully with Army backing in the South.

 

[cupid_stunt]

There may be non smugglers who are still outside schemes. How do they get checked?

Outside schemes?

The suggestion is that there could be simple web-forms to complete.

I assume you have heard of the internet?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I was talking to my dad on the weekend. He was stopped by a joint Guards, Customs, and Oglaigh na hEireann at the weekend, they were checking for agri diesel in motors.

It's fairly rare nowadays, but it still happens on the UK mainland that diesel vehicles are stopped & dipped to check they are not driving on 'red' diesel, nowt to do with any borders, just a case of checking the drivers are not illegally driving with duty-free diesel.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was talking to my dad on the weekend. He was stopped by a joint Guards, Customs, and Oglaigh na hEireann at the weekend, they were checking for agri diesel in motors.

I suspect the checks will take place in the same way they always have, at the end of a barrel of a gun in the North and by some jumped up bully with Army backing in the South.

the oglaigh na heireann, they were

i suppose and not

 

[Dr. Furface]

It's fairly rare nowadays, but it still happens on the UK mainland that diesel vehicles are stopped & dipped to check they are not driving on 'red' diesel, nowt to do with any borders, just a case of checking the drivers are not illegally driving with duty-free diesel.

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

 

[kebabking]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

I got stopped on the way down to Brecon in the last few months - HMRC with Police support.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

It's Customs (HMRC) who do it, mainly in very rural areas where farms get red diesel delivered and people may be tempted to use that for their personal transportation needs.

 

[flypanam]

the oglaigh na heireann, they were

i suppose and not

Yup that’s the lads.

The diesel checks are fairly common in Monaghan. Every week there are reports in the local paper of court cases regarding agri diesel. However the lads making it on the side are getting better, my old man says it’ll no longer wreck your engine.

 

[philosophical]

Outside schemes?

The suggestion is that there could be simple web-forms to complete.

I assume you have heard of the internet?

Do you think that every person and driver of every vehicle will have completed a web form, simple or not, for every time they cross the border?
What happens to those who cross without having completed such internet stuff?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

It's normally done in rural areas, or on busier roads when there's a joint operation between police, DVLA, customs & sometimes a local authority, clamping down on potential dangerous vehicles, mainly commercial ones, but some cars get pulled in too, for all sorts of checks by the various 'partners' taking part in the operation, those checks include dipping tanks on diesel vehicles.

I witnessed it once a couple of years ago, when they blocked off the inner lane of the A27 dual- carriageway, slowed the traffic right down, and it seemed randomly directed certain vehicles into the inner lane for checks, I know someone that had has van dipped in that operation.

ETA - just remembered, I know a taxi driver that have been stopped & dipped in town, in a joint police & customs operation, totally random checks.