Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpookyFrank]

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[philosophical]

This has all stopped making sense so I guess Philosophical is back.

Hold on a sec, there's a new brexit secretary right? Maybe 'Philosophical' is a DExEu account, and they're on here getting us to explain the basics of their job to them. I bet, I just fucking bet they started posting around the time of Raab's appoinment, then Raab gave up for a bit when he realised he wasn't actually going to have to do any work, and now the new fella has popped up on the same account and we have to go through it all again.

I'm on to you philosophical , fuck off back to fiddling your expenses or sexually harassing interns or whatever it is you government wankers do.

I do not work for the government, nor fiddle expenses. neither do I sexually harass anybody.
I would suggest a snide dig at me is a way of avoiding any engagement with the wider debate, and it may possibly be beneficial to you personally in that it gives you a bit of a thrill.

 

[Pickman's model]

I do not work for the government, nor fiddle expenses. neither do I sexually harass anybody.
I would suggest a snide dig at me is a way of avoiding any engagement with the wider debate, and it may possibly be beneficial to you personally in that it gives you a bit of a thrill.

SpookyFrank will suggest you try harder in future then

 

[DexterTCN]

...I'm on to you philosophical , fuck off back to fiddling your expenses or sexually harassing interns or whatever it is you government wankers do.

You're a cunt.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Yes, probably.

Post deleted because it was offensive, content-free shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're a cunt.

Tell me something new

 

[DexterTCN]

Anyway...ignoring loudmouths who can't back stuff up and foulmouths...

This is a pretty devastating breakdown of where the Uk is...

May’s Brexit deal: the legal verdict | The Spectator

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway...ignoring loudmouths who can't back stuff up and foulmouths...

This is a pretty devastating breakdown of where the Uk is...

May’s Brexit deal: the legal verdict | The Spectator

That's not where the UK is

It's where this temporary government is, temporarily

 

[Gerry1time]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

They were doing it to people going to the Beautiful Days festival in Devon a few years back. Nothing to do with The Levellers' association with the travelling community of course.

 

[Supine]

Looks like an interesting read

Austerity swung voters to Brexit – and now they are changing their minds

 

[existentialist]

Really? There’s a stop and search policy for diesel vehicles? I’m not doubting your knowledge, I’m just gobsmacked to learn of it, no matter how rare it may be.

Particularly common in rural areas - I've seen it quite regularly in these parts.

 

[Sprocket.]

They were doing it to people going to the Beautiful Days festival in Devon a few years back. Nothing to do with The Levellers' association with the travelling community of course.

By pure coincidence I may well have had Levelling the Land cassette on in when they tried to dip me!

 

[hash tag]

He’s not nice and he’s not dim either. No deal Brexit is perfect for his downmarket business strategy - the economy tanks, the £ devalues again, and much of the mid-range of the leisure industry goes bust. And bad news for his employees whose salaries, rights and other employment opportunities will all be diminished. He’ll be laughing though. The cunt.

To clarify, I doubt he's dim, just that he really reminds me of times, nice but dim

 

[andysays]

I got the idea from the Belfast Agreement. And subsequent events following that agreement.

So is there a section in the Belfast Agreement which states that the border arrangements agreed there are to apply forever and ever, regardless of any changes in circumstances and future agreement to establish new arrangements?

I suggest you contact the British PM, the Irish Taoiseach and the EU negotiators as a matter of urgency and tell them that only you know what the GFA means and that they've all got it horribly wrong.

 

[philosophical]

So is there a section in the Belfast Agreement which states that the border arrangements agreed there are to apply forever and ever, regardless of any changes in circumstances and future agreement to establish new arrangements?

I suggest you contact the British PM, the Irish Taoiseach and the EU negotiators as a matter of urgency and tell them that only you know what the GFA means and that they've all got it horribly wrong.

During this dreadful process the Irish Taoiseach, the PM and the EU negotiators have been continually concerned about the border. As has the head of the PSNI and others. Yesterday May attempted a last minute play with regard to a so called technological solution to enable brexit, not a future discussion about the GFA. If the issue is so simple to solve then it hasn't happened yet after two and a half years.
There is a common travel area agreed.
If there is a changed border it changes the GFA (although that may be agreed at some future date).
My point is that a change makes it a hard border however much some might suggest it would hardly be noticed, because of the systems needed to deal with transgressions, systems that aren't in place now.

 

[Pickman's model]

During this dreadful process the Irish Taoiseach, the PM and the EU negotiators have been continually concerned about the border. As has the head of the PSNI and others. Yesterday May attempted a last minute play with regard to a so called technological solution to enable brexit, not a future discussion about the GFA. If the issue is so simple to solve then it hasn't happened yet after two and a half years.
There is a common travel area agreed.
If there is a changed border it changes the GFA (although that may be agreed at some future date).
My point is that a change makes it a hard border however much some might suggest it would hardly be noticed, because of the systems needed to deal with transgressions, systems that aren't in place now.

By transgression you mean people crossing the line I suppose

 

[andysays]

During this dreadful process the Irish Taoiseach, the PM and the EU negotiators have been continually concerned about the border. As has the head of the PSNI and others. Yesterday May attempted a last minute play with regard to a so called technological solution to enable brexit, not a future discussion about the GFA. If the issue is so simple to solve then it hasn't happened yet after two and a half years.
There is a common travel area agreed.
If there is a changed border it changes the GFA (although that may be agreed at some future date).
My point is that a change makes it a hard border however much some might suggest it would hardly be noticed, because of the systems needed to deal with transgressions, systems that aren't in place now.

So you're saying that anything different from what exists now is a hard border...
Have you been in touch with the various parties to the negotiations yet to point out their error? Please let us know what their response is.

 

[philosophical]

So you're saying that anything different from what exists now is a hard border...
Have you been in touch with the various parties to the negotiations yet to point out their error? Please let us know what their response is.

Yes I am saying that.
There is no error to point out.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[free spirit]

Rather than having a go at cupid_stunt (or anyone else on this thread) maybe you should take all this up with the EU negotiators who, according to today's announcement of an agreed political declaration, are quite happy with the proposal to use technology to ensure there is no need for the Northern Ireland backstop to be used.

Where on earth did you get the idea that there wouldn't be a border arrangement that was in some way different to that which exists now?

That would be a misreading of the text.

All they have agreed to is to 'consider' any such proposals if and when they're made.

There's nothing in the text that commits them to not rejecting the proposals after giving them due consideration.

 

[Sprocket.]

Invisible ski machine?

 

[Pickman's model]

Invisible ski machine?

if only there were

 

[Ground Elder]

Cornwall Council starts negotiations with Barnier

 

[Poi E]

Always thought it would be Scotland first to go.

 

[Wilf]

Still, against all evidence, I have an inkling that enough Tories will be whipped into line - a mixture of not wanting to be blamed for either no deal or Corbyn and pure exhaustion. Probably after an initial failure to get the legislation through, a few irrelevant tweaks etc. My record as a pundit is appalling though (brexit, trump, 2017 Gen Election - got them all wrong ). Might end up being all about abstentions in the end.

 

[Wilf]

Dance like nobody is watching you.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Still, against all evidence, I have an inkling that enough Tories will be whipped into line - a mixture of not wanting to be blamed for either no deal or Corbyn and pure exhaustion. Probably after an initial failure to get the legislation through, a few irrelevant tweaks etc. My record as a pundit is appalling though (brexit, trump, 2017 Gen Election - got them all wrong ). Might end up being all about abstentions in the end.

My record isn't much better - did get 2017 right though. But my feeling is increasingly that this won't get through. In some ways it ties the UK even closer to the EU than doing nothing. It pleases nobody and the threat that it is this or crashing out is a hollow one. It will be even more hollow when the ejc rules that a50 can be extended.

I think the idea that instead of the Norway model or Canada model we in fact are presented with the Moldova model could gain traction.

 

[kebabking]

Sorry folks, but my title as Urbans' Worst Political Forecaster is not up for debate.

At least, I don't foresee it being up for debate...

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry folks, but my title as Urbans' Worst Political Forecaster is not up for debate.

At least, I don't foresee it being up for debate...

Some things cannot be argued with