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Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm turning this country round and going back to Pangaea if you don't behave yourselves
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'You say it best when you say no Brexit at all'
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So, is Theresa May turning from being this haunted wraith into a confident pro-EU 5th Columnist before our very eyes?
My answer to that is no, but she's almost wearing her hat at a jaunty angle. I suspect she's just genuinely enjoying the fuck ups the swivel eyed have made in the last week.
My answer to that is no, but she's almost wearing her hat at a jaunty angle. I suspect she's just genuinely enjoying the fuck ups the swivel eyed have made in the last week.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Technically, yes.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
May threatens 'no Brexit at all'
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Now I'm worried; my car has number-plates with this forrin stuff on them...technically will I be able to drive it after March 29th?
Keep them in a safe place, you will be refitting them in 2 years!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
retro-fitting!
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Just the blue passports.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
It's bollocks. The default is we leave on 29 March 2019. The only way that will not happen is if (a) we ask the EU for an extension and they agree; or (b) we revoke Art. 50*.
In the absence of (b), Brexit is going to happen.
(*Amusingly, the question of whether it is revocable has just been referred to the ECJ to decide, after much resistance from HMG)
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
no, because you'll be in prison, having been convicted of being French or something. the upside of this nationalistic pogrom will be that it will become social responsible to throw stones at Audi's and BMW's.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Drive it, fucking hell, it'll be a target!
I had such high hopes for young Mr 
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Nah. I reckon it might not even happen technically.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
It's not bollocks is it? There is a very real possibility, in fact it's likely, that Brexit won't happen or it will technically happen but it won't really involve Britain detaching itself from the EU.
I think we can safely assume we know what the ECJ will say.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
So you think Art 50 will be revoked?
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Thank the Lord, that's all I ever wanted from brexit.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We have a) no deal, b) may's shitty compromise, c) remain as the options. If we can revoke article 50, which we find out next week, then no deal disappears, only a tiny minority of mps want that. Only a minority of mps want may's shitty compromise. And while I doubt the majority of mps want to halt article 50 once a and b are off the table c becomes the only option in town
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I guarantee that the ECJ will say it can be revoked.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
You should be a politician, not answering the question like that.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I just asked you a question and you ignored it! I've told you I'm certain it can be revoked, I'm not certain it will be.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed, because of course they know that there is nothing in law to stop us rescinding Article 50.
JHE
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In Article 50 there is nothing at all about revoking notification of leaving the EU, nothing saying you can do it, nothing saying you can't do it and of course nothing about how you could do it. This is why the question has had to go to the ECJ. They have to interpret Article 50 on this point precisely because there is absolutely nothing explicit on the question.
I suppose there are at least three possible decisions the ECJ could make:
1. No, you cannot cancel. You're leaving even if you change your minds.
2. Yes, the country that sent notification of leaving can unilaterally cancel during the two-year period. Just write and let Mr J and Co know when you change your mind.
3. Yes, you can cancel but only with the agreement of the other members. (This is the condition Article 50 applies to any extension of the two-year period. Perhaps they'll say it also applies to cancellation.)
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
(edit) Well yes, but the absence of any specific comment would suggest that there is nothing to prevent an Article 50 request being withdrawn before it becomes effective.
I mean, there is no way any court would find that option one is valid (given that to say that an Article 50 request could never be withdrawn once made would imply that an Article 49 request to join the EU could never be withdrawn once made as well, which is patently absurd), and as you say the text does not contain anything about seeking the agreement of other members to withdraw an Article 50 request (whereas it does about extending it) so it is hard to see how they would ever reach a decision like that in option three.
Which of course only leaves one option, which is also what the bloke who helped draft Article 50 has been saying for the past year.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
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