Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[TopCat]

I don't accept your analogy. We are most definitely not all in the same boat, or if we are, many of us are in the position of galley slaves whose interests would best be served by rising up, throwing the ship's officers overboard and then scuttling the ship rather than continuing on our current course.

I voted to burn down the masters house, not caring I live in the attic.

 

[sleaterkinney]

You've posted this without comment, so I'm not sure If you actually agree with it or if it's a kind of 'look what this idiot is saying. It neatly demonstrates everything wrong with the entitled political class which has led to this cluster fuck' post.

If it's the latter I agree 100%, but given your posting history I suspect it's the former...

It was a jokey post and you're right, I didn't vote for this shitshow and I'm taking delight in the brexiteers having to face up for what they've lied about.

 

[andysays]

It was a jokey post and you're right, I didn't vote for this shitshow and I'm taking delight in the brexiteers having to face up for what they've lied about.

Thank you for clarifying. I definitely did vote for this shit show.

 

[paolo]

No I mean people, supposedly of a left bent, urging Labour mps to vote yes to May's bill on Dec 14th.

Ah ok.

I’m not expecting see much of that at all, but could be wrong of course.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Thank you for clarifying. I definitely did vote for this shit show.

Why? Other than a load of jingoistic bollocks about 'taking back control, which was based on outright lies by the illegally overspending 'Leave' campaign, why vote to leave?

Unless you are advocating a complete trade ban with the EU, we will have to match their laws with regard to every single item we sell, but will have no influence on those laws.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I voted to burn down the masters house, not caring I live in the attic.

That sums up those who voted to leave quite well really.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Your age is relevant.

I'm retired, my pensions are pretty bomb proof, were the providers to fail the whole economy would have failed. Other than an inflation hit, which would not be terribly relevant, a Labour government would have little effect on us. Our house is paid for, and our modest needs are well met.

On the assumption that you are of working age, then the outlook is a bit different, the swinging tax hikes needed to pay for Corbyn's opium dreams will hit you hard.

It is your choice of course, I favour small government and low taxation, you favour the opposite.

The other reason I ask your age was that I was around in the 70s, when the high tax rates of a Labour government caused a measure of capital flight, with a reduction in tax take. Moving capital now is simply the press of a button. The question asked back then as to why people should be expected to pay 80% of their salary in tax is just as valid today, as is the answer, they shouldn't. Callaghan introduced a tax rate on 'unearned income' that was over 100%* IIRC.

*Not quite.

In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%.[18] In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (£191,279 as of 2016),[7].

My age is not relevant. It is relevant that you're a boring Tory cunt but it's not cos you're old.

 

[Sasaferrato]

My age is not relevant. It is relevant that you're a boring Tory cunt but it's not cos you're old.

You are blocked, I refuse to converse with rude children.

 

[andysays]

You are blocked, I refuse to converse with rude children.

If I call you a boring Tory cunt, will you block me too (or at least stop replying to me with such craven nonsense)?

 

[Poi E]

Sas used to draw his coin from HMG so he can't want too small a state.

 

[Sasaferrato]

andysays Your wish is my command. Bye bye.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Sas used to draw his coin from HMG so he can't want too small a state.

Still do. All you daily toilers are paying my State Pension. Which is disgraceful BTW, pensions should have been funded by investment of contributions, not from current income.

It is a huge commitment, circa 11m OAPs, at even £100.00 pw is £57.2 Bn a year.

 

[SpackleFrog]

If I call you a boring Tory cunt, will you block me too (or at least stop replying to me with such craven nonsense)?

It's not that great unfortunately you can still see his posts

 

[Pickman's model]

You are blocked, I refuse to converse with rude children.

don't know what you're doing on urban then

 

[Sasaferrato]

don't know what you're doing on urban then

Some are one, some are the other, rarely both.

There is no need for the level of rudeness displayed by that pair. Agree or disagree, respond to a post or not, but ad hom is completely unnecessary. Neither would have said that to me face to face, but keyboard warriors are very brave of course.

 

[Pickman's model]

Some are one, some are the other, rarely both.

bet you'll be rude when you're in your second childhood, i know i will be

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'd quite happily tell anyone on Urban my age provided I didn't think they were going to use it as evidence for me being wrong. I get enough of older people who don't know what they're talking about telling me I don't know what I'm talking about in my union ta

 

[SpackleFrog]

Some are one, some are the other, rarely both.

There is no need for the level of rudeness displayed by that pair. Agree or disagree, respond to a post or not, but ad hom is completely unnecessary. Neither would have said that to me face to face, but keyboard warriors are very brave of course.

Just like to confirm I would be very happy to say this to Sas's face.

 

[SpackleFrog]

bet you'll be rude when you're in your second childhood, i know i will be

I think he already is.

 

[Sasaferrato]

bet you'll be rude when you're in your second childhood, i know i will be

Mrs Sas reckons I'm heading there without having left my first. She may be right.

Can't be bothered with uncivil crap these days. If either had had anything new or interesting to say, I might not have blocked them. There are some on the boards that infuriate me, but they do have something to say that is worth reading.

Attack my view as much as you like, not a problem. Start being an abusive knob end, gone.

 

[andysays]

It's not that great unfortunately you can still see his posts

I haven't really thought this through, have I?

 

[Poi E]

Right, we've had an internecine bunfight. Back to Brexit!

 

[Sasaferrato]

Right, we've had an internecine bunfight. Back to Brexit!

Quite, and although I didn't start it, sorry for the derail.

 

[paolo]

Ah ok.

I’m not expecting see much of that at all, but could be wrong of course.

I’ll take that back... slightly... I’ve just rechecked the polling numbers from two days ago.

Of the people who’d voted Labour in 2017, 28% would vote leave if there was a referendum now.

Of that 28%, there will be portion that will want to go with May’s deal, rather than risk remain.

It’s not huge, but it will be there.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Quite, and although I didn't start it, sorry for the derail.

You did start it. And I'm not sorry for the derail

 

[SpackleFrog]

Labour, unions and the Brexit vote issue

Slightly outdated now. There is very much a divide between those who think stopping Brexit is the key issue and those who think getting rid of the Tories is the key issue.

 

[Pickman's model]

Slightly outdated now. There is very much a divide between those who think stopping Brexit is the key issue and those who think getting rid of the Tories is the key issue.

not to mention those who favour getting rid of the tories through getting rid of brexit

 

[SpackleFrog]

not to mention those who favour getting rid of the tories through getting rid of brexit

I'm not sure there's a particularly large layer who see that as a coherent strategy. I certainly hope there isn't.

 

[Poi E]

Please please please can the queen die now for lolz

 

[Badgers]

Please please please can the queen die now for lolz

I think it would be more fun if Prince William died. The Queen is expected but it would be a Diana style grief fest if one of the young cunts died out the blue.