belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
God knows why there is so long between the EU and parliamentary dates
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
shifting him as far left as auld 'red' jim callaghan would be a start
andysays
Love and solidarity
15th is a Saturday, so I'm guessing vote on 14th, then a quick bit of last minute shopping and back to constituencies for Xmas...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They can't just lose the vote then fuck off home for Christmas. It will look so bad for them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
politicians lack the shame gene
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Unless you live abroad, you are in the boat that is in jeopardy.
This isn't simply a Conservative party matter, it affects us all. If there is no deal, then for the foreseeable, we're fucked. It takes time to set up trading relations with other countries.
There is also the problem with the financial services industry, which is a huge tax payer, and would up sticks and move to Frankfurt.
We are all in this boat, and I would rather it didn't sink. I can appreciate that you are enjoying the discomfiture of the Conservative party, I think we all are to an extent, but not to the point where we crash out of the EU.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Yeah but.
May will likely resign on that day following the vote. To leave everything all over the floor over Christmas just doesn't seem credible. The vacuum would eat them all.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
What do you think that achieved? Be civil.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the state may keeps number ten in is one of the things maintaining her in power - the place is a bloody tip and no one wants to clean up her mess. she makes julian assange look houseproud
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You should have added , young man.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
strangely SpackleFrog is the spitting image of harry h corbett and Sasaferrato could pass for wilfrid brambell
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
strangely SpackleFrog is the spitting image of harry h corbett and Sasaferrato could pass for wilfrid bramble
Cheeky sod!
That does sound like a possibility.
The Guardian flow chart thing also shows a branch to have a *second* parliament vote 21 days later. I'm not thinking that's likely, just mentioning it here as one of hypothetical steps.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
How is it civil to no context ask someone their age in the middle of a discussion? Be normal.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Seems to me that many of the events around the Leave referendum and its aftermath might have seemed not to be credible before this all began.
Whoever's eating Xmas dinner in No 10 this year, festive cheer will be in pretty short supply
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This deal or crash out is a false choice, though. Just because May says this is so doesn't make it so.
On the other hand - to the ERG et al, the whips will be saying "This deal or remain".
It's come to something where the message, coming from the same root, can be almost wholly contradictory.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It will indeed as their travel papers for the sacn should reach them around 20/12
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The reason I described the ERG lot as 'headbangers' is precisely because they are very unlikely to vote for this deal even if the alternative is remain. They'd choose heroic failure over partial success. I think this deal's only hope of being passed through parliament is getting enough labour defectors to vote for it. And here we have the great charade - the public reasons given by labour mps for voting with the deal (national interest above party interest, honouring the referendum, averting the disaster of no deal, duty) will of course be nothing at all to do with the real reasons.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Tim Montgomery is the name.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Creator of the Conservative Home website, and staunchly pro-brexit. Revealing that a key tory strategist fears brexit won't happen if this deal is voted down.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Your age is relevant.
I'm retired, my pensions are pretty bomb proof, were the providers to fail the whole economy would have failed. Other than an inflation hit, which would not be terribly relevant, a Labour government would have little effect on us. Our house is paid for, and our modest needs are well met.
On the assumption that you are of working age, then the outlook is a bit different, the swinging tax hikes needed to pay for Corbyn's opium dreams will hit you hard.
It is your choice of course, I favour small government and low taxation, you favour the opposite.
The other reason I ask your age was that I was around in the 70s, when the high tax rates of a Labour government caused a measure of capital flight, with a reduction in tax take. Moving capital now is simply the press of a button. The question asked back then as to why people should be expected to pay 80% of their salary in tax is just as valid today, as is the answer, they shouldn't. Callaghan introduced a tax rate on 'unearned income' that was over 100%* IIRC.
*Not quite.
In 1971 the top rate of income tax on earned income was cut to 75%. A surcharge of 15% kept the top rate on investment income at 90%.[18] In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%. With the investment income surcharge this raised the top rate on investment income to 98%, the highest permanent rate since the war. This applied to incomes over £20,000 (£191,279 as of 2016),[7].
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