Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[agricola]

Or who was the first person to descend to the bottom of the south sandwich trench

Soames?

 

[Pickman's model]

Soames?

Leadsom, in lead boots

 

[The Fornicator]

So what are the chances of Arlene and her Beastie Boys risking a GE and the prospect of a republican-friendly Labour gov?

2nd q: what are the chances of JSM and the frothing posh boys risking John MacDonall in Number 11?

3rd q: with Corbyn's personal record on respecting the whip and the maj of the PLP having little regard for him, how many will back this deal, and with constituency pressures - several, dozens?

 

[Poi E]

All talk. Ulster says a lot but does fuck all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So what are the chances of Arlene and her Beastie Boys risking a GE and the prospect of a republican-friendly Labour gov?

2nd q: what are the chances of JSM and the frothing posh boys risking John MacDonald in Number 11?

a) Quite low, I would think

b) Pretty much a certainty

 

[The Fornicator]

You saw his recent call for some collective land ownership, and the conference statement about a new version of clause 4?

 

[SpackleFrog]

You saw his recent call for some collective land ownership, and the conference statement about a new version of clause 4?

Did you see him talking about a "unity Brexit"?

 

[The Fornicator]

I'm talking about what the posh boys say, and what the posh boys will do when push comes to shove. And they will march in to support May right behind the DUP.

 

[Pickman's model]

Only because the dup have a big band

 

[Sasaferrato]

There has been a fair bit of discussion here about referendums.
Whether there is a second or third referendum, the nature of what is democratic, and interestingly the notion of one result overturning a previous result.
The issue is not so cut and dried that the concept of another referendum can be dismissed with a wave of the hand or a soundbite.
I did a bit of research and I have come up with 13 that have taken place somewhere in the United Kingdom. The Scottish and Welsh votes of 1997 reversed the votes of 1979. The national vote of 2016 arguably reversed the national vote of 1975.
Of course wording and other factors make each referendum hard to directly compare. So does margins of victory, and information in the hands of the voters.
Whether this kind of carry on is democratic or not I would suggest is up for debate and as I said not cut and dried.
The two that seem to be the most conflicting are the ones in Northern Ireland in 1998 and the UK in 2016.

Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum, 1973
United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975
Scottish devolution referendum, 1979
Welsh devolution referendum, 1979
Scottish devolution referendum, 1997
Welsh devolution referendum, 1997
Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum, 1998
Greater London Authority referendum, 1998
North East England devolution referendum, 2004
United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum, 2011
Welsh devolution referendum, 2011
Scottish Independence referendum, 2014
United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016

The 1979 Scottish devolution referendum was scuppered by one man, an MP, he also brought down his own party's government.

The people’s vote: why didn’t we heed the lesson of 1979? | Ian Jack

 

[Sasaferrato]

If Leadsom ever becomes the answer then we really are truly fucked

I don't think even the current Conservative party are that stupid.

 

[oryx]

Labour is just as divided as the tories on brexit. If labour won a general election, it would be their turn for a public civil war

To go back a few pages... I think Labour's trump cards on Brexit are Starmer and Thornberry, who seem to work in a much more intelligent and collaborative style than the clownish likes of Johnson, Davis, Raab et al.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Have we done a caption competition on this cosy meeting yesterday? View attachment 152747

"Leave it, mate, neither of you are worth it."

 

[T & P]

Brussels tells Theresa May - delaying Brexit will cost UK £10bn

That’ll go down well

 

[Pickman's model]

Brussels tells Theresa May - delaying Brexit will cost UK £10bn

That’ll go down well

Like a big spoon of sick

 

[Kaka Tim]

3rd q: with Corbyn's personal record on respecting the whip and the maj of the PLP having little regard for him, how many will back this deal, and with constituency pressures - several, dozens?

Why do people keep assuming that their is big cohort of anti-corbyn - and presumably reaminer - labour mps who are going to rescue may's deal against the wishes of the labour whip?
As far as im aware caroline flint is the only labour mp who has indicated she might do this. please show me any other labour mps who are arguing for mays deal.
The labour remainers are pushing for a 2nd ref - and that means rejecting mays deal.
The labour brexiteers are small in number and several - skinner, hoey and others - have already said they are going to vote against it.
plus the journos who have daily contact with these people - are predicting the number labour mps who will vote with may as likely to be single figures.

And yes - there is push from business for mps to accept the deal - but not from voters, not from the pro-labour media either.

And i dont think the brexiteers are going to be won over either - they have publicly nailed their colours to the mast. And they are mostly ideologues - far less likely to be bought off - and who the fuck wants to join team may right now. in fact.
In fact who in their right mind wants to be anywhere near being in a government charged with navigating the whirling shit pool of brexit right now?

 

[Old Spark]

Why do people keep assuming that their is big cohort of anti-corbyn - and presumably reaminer - labour mps who are going to rescue may's deal against the wishes of the labour whip?
As far as im aware caroline flint is the only labour mp who has indicated she might do this. please show me any other labour mps who are arguing for mays deal.
The labour remainers are pushing for a 2nd ref - and that means rejecting mays deal.
The labour brexiteers are small in number and several - skinner, hoey and others - have already said they are going to vote against it.
plus the journos who have daily contact with these people - are predicting the number labour mps who will vote with may as likely to be single figures.

And yes - there is push from business for mps to accept the deal - but not from voters, not from the pro-labour media either.

And i dont think the brexiteers are going to be won over either - they have publicly nailed their colours to the mast. And they are mostly ideologues - far less likely to be bought off - and who the fuck wants to join team may right now. in fact.
In fact who in their right mind wants to be anywhere near being in a government charged with navigating the whirling shit pool of brexit right now?

Gareth Snell and Ruth Smeeth also say they are considering it.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Gareth Snell and Ruth Smeeth also say they are considering it.

Cheers.

So three mps. (and also - "who?")

May needs at least 30 labour scabs to save her bacon.

And its not like corbyn's critics are generally reluctant to make their views known.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Cheers.

So three mps. (and also - "who?")

May needs at least 30 labour scabs to save her bacon.

And its not like corbyn's critics are generally reluctant to make their views known.

We don't know obviously, but I doubt Flint wrote that article for a laugh - remember potential Labour rebels don't know if May or the deal will survive until the vote yet.

 

[Friedrich986]

I am fairly certain you can rely on today's dreadful Labour Party to let the working man down, yet again!

Enough 'Lab' MP's will go along with the Tory's, pehaps even just to keep Jezza out

 

[SpackleFrog]

To go back a few pages... I think Labour's trump cards on Brexit are Starmer and Thornberry, who seem to work in a much more intelligent and collaborative style than the clownish likes of Johnson, Davis, Raab et al.

Those are some shite trump cards. We're definitely talking K7 and not pocket Queens.

 

[Friedrich986]

hey,thanks for the like, must be some kind of record, just signed up about 1 minute ago

 

[Pickman's model]

I am fairly certain you can rely on today's dreadful Labour Party to let the working man down, yet again!

Enough 'Lab' MP's will go along with the Tory's, pehaps even just to keep Jezza out

You cannot hope to bribe or twist
(thank god!) the labour 'socialist'
But seeing what they'll do
Unbribed, there's no occasion to

 

[Friedrich986]

by the way, I don't see any credibility whatsoever in Emily Thornberry, she's kind of a joke figure like Dianne Abbot - Keir Starmer has potential of course, and will quite possibly be next Labour leader

 

[Kaka Tim]

I am fairly certain you can rely on today's dreadful Labour Party to let the working man down, yet again!

Enough 'Lab' MP's will go along with the Tory's, pehaps even just to keep Jezza out

evidence for this? Who among corbyns leading critics within the PLP are arguing in favour of mays deal? Their cheerleaders in the media are solidly against it.

 

[Pickman's model]

by the way, I don't see any credibility whatsoever in Emily Thornberry, she's kind of a joke figure like Dianne Abbot - Keir Starmer has potential of course, and will quite possibly be next Labour leader

Tbh I don't see any credibility in the Labour Party but it's rather telling you single out Labour women as devoid of credibility

 

[Friedrich986]

if it comes to a choice between May's 'deal' and 'no-deal' , they'll surely side with May

 

[Friedrich986]

Tbh I don't see any credibility in the Labour Party but it's rather telling you single out Labour women as devoid of credibility

hardly 'telling' at all - it just happens that these two people are awful and are two of the most prominent Labour spokespeople

 

[Pickman's model]

hardly 'telling' at all - it just happens that these two people are awful and are two of the most prominent Labour spokespeople

Yeh they are awful have you any actual political objection to them?

Whereas sir Keir Starmer, attorney General in a tory administration, has all manner of credibility

 

[Humberto]

hey,thanks for the like, must be some kind of record, just signed up about 1 minute ago

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