Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Friedrich986]

Emily Thornberry and her mocking of 'White Van Man' destroyed her 'Labour' credentials in an instant

Dianne Abbot is virtue signaller extraodinaire and nothing else

Keir Starmer ought to join the Lib-Dems or left side of Tory Party.

 

[Pickman's model]

Emily Thornberry and her mocking of 'White Van Man' destroyed her 'Labour' credentials in an instant

Dianne Abbot is virtue signaller extraodinaire and nothing else

Keir Starmer ought to join the Lib-Dems or left side of Tory Party.

That's sír Keir Starmer to you sonny jim

 

[Friedrich986]

do you mean like 'Sir' Nick Clegg?

 

[SpackleFrog]

by the way, I don't see any credibility whatsoever in Emily Thornberry, she's kind of a joke figure like Dianne Abbot - Keir Starmer has potential of course, and will quite possibly be next Labour leader

I'm rescinding your like.

 

[paolo]

Slightly outdated now.

Indeed. And if there was going to be hardening of views, it'll have been since the proposed deal. So in trajectory, quite outdated.

Where the trajectory is with union members... don't yet have numbers on that.

The general trend seems to be toward remain, albeit nothing like a landslide.

Interesting times.

There is very much a divide between those who think stopping Brexit is the key issue and those who think getting rid of the Tories is the key issue.

Noted. I'm the former, but I know the latter is a big thing.

 

[Friedrich986]

I'm rescinding your like.

LOL , that's a bit harsh, I can't take it..

but this idea of 'stopping Brexit = getting rid of the Tories' is also seriously mistaken

what would likely happen would be Remain Tories winning out, with someone like Amber Rudd PM

and Labour are just as divided as Cons, worse in fact because large chunks of Lab voters voted Leave

 

[paolo]

Brussels tells Theresa May - delaying Brexit will cost UK £10bn

That’ll go down well

The cab has turned up, but the person that booked it hasn’t left their house.

The meter is now running, for being at standstill.

 

[Kaka Tim]

if brexit gets stopped the die hard leavers will blame the tories for ever. they will be the great betrayers of brexit. It will lose them maybe 10% of their vote share at a stroke and quite possibly split the party. and the membership will not vote for a remainer tory as leader in a million years.

and labour are nowhere near as divided on this as the tories. There are maybe a few dozen brexit supporting labour mps, and the membership is overwhelmingly remain. And it is not anything like as central an issue.

 

[Friedrich986]

many Lab voters are Leave though , the membership is tiny in comparison to those who vote Labour for one reason or the other

My bet is a Remain Tory would prob win a GE if Brexit is stopped

 

[paolo]

many Lab voters are Leave though

28%

YouGov poll three days ago.

 

[Kaka Tim]

many Lab voters are Leave though , the membership is tiny in comparison to those who vote Labour for one reason or the other

My bet is a Remain Tory would prob win a GE if Brexit is stopped

they would have to become leader of a party whose membership are rapbilly pro-brexit.
they would have to somehow make up for losing a big chunk of their voters to UKIP or similar. Im not saying it wont happen - but i think its far more likely that the tories are severly fucked for many years to come.

 

[The Fornicator]

Emily Thornberry and her mocking of 'White Van Man' destroyed her 'Labour' credentials in an instant

Dianne Abbot is virtue signaller extraodinaire and nothing else

Keir Starmer ought to join the Lib-Dems or left side of Tory Party.

The stupidity of this post reminds why these threads aren't often worth the bother.

 

[The Fornicator]

Why do people keep assuming that their is big cohort of anti-corbyn - and presumably reaminer - labour mps who are going to rescue may's deal against the wishes of the labour whip?
As far as im aware caroline flint is the only labour mp who has indicated she might do this. please show me any other labour mps who are arguing for mays deal.

It's been three days. Get back to me in three weeks.

 

[Friedrich986]

May's 'deal' surely is the most supine, abjectly spineless sell-out since Pussy Riot appeared on House of Cards Season 3


please get her out of the house, let her join Vince Cable down in Devon

 

[Friedrich986]

The stupidity of this post reminds why these threads aren't often worth the bother.

you needn't bother if you feel like that then, but can you in all honesty defend Lady Nugee after her elitist attack on Labour's core voters?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I think that's a very coherent strategy. It's already been laid out more or less how it would work: defeat this deal, get rid of May, get an general election, win the general election, get rid of brexit, with a second ref or something.

There is a certain incoherence to many of the whines from keen brexit types over holding a second referendum. If you're after some kind of 'hard' brexit, surely you should be all for it. A clear plan for what brexit will mean is presented with the promise to implement it or something similar with a second leave vote, tying the country to your vision if you win. So the only reason they can have for not wanting a second referendum must be because they think they would lose it. Why this new referendum would somehow be an affront to democracy, while the 2016 one was more or less the last word on democracy, I've yet to hear explained.

Well that is the conundrum of democracy isn't it, it is never about getting your voice heard, it is an adhesive to glue together divergent interests cloaked in the mystification of majoritarian inteest. Of course this democratism is enforced by the state's monopoly on the deep penetrative networks of virtual violence (which are ideally less kinetic than when we are in times of crisis proceeding proletarian uprisings or containment.)

This is why, whatever the eventual result, the victory will be won by the good cops of capital, and a poster on this thread is in favour of as much.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

this is also why all the labour campaigns for remain, left against brexit, another europe is possible, are the worst kind of Stalinoid opportunism and will make the rightward shift of UK politics even more pronounced, and its even worse that we're in relative peacetime and it is claimed that we should line up for the support of bourgeois dictatorship. all this ever shows is the utmost contempt for the proletariat more generally, as long as they can keep it boxed in.

 

[existentialist]

Soames?

Soames might be better rendered down to soap. Canal digging is dirty work, and we don't want the workforce looking unkempt.

 

[Pickman's model]

Soames might be better rendered down to soap. Canal digging is dirty work, and we don't want the workforce looking unkempt.

Soames will come in very useful to plug any leaks in the tramp steamer taking former people to grytviken

 

[Pickman's model]

Soames might be better rendered down to soap. Canal digging is dirty work, and we don't want the workforce looking unkempt.

The workforce will remain unkempt as Arthur Kemp late of the BNP will not survive the trip to the south atlantic

 

[Badgers]

The workforce will remain unkempt as Arthur Kemp late of the BNP will not survive the trip to the south atlantic

Kemp?

 

[Pickman's model]

Kemp?

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Arthur Kemp allegedly late of South African intelligence and part of the conspiracy - allegedly - to kill Chris hani

 

[Friedrich986]

so what would Lenin or Trotsky have done here, can you see them really being in favour of the neo-liberal free-market EU agenda?

I don't get it why far leftists support Remain, actually the SPEW go for Lexit so why not back them up

 

[Pickman's model]

so what would Lenin or Trotsky have done here, can you see them really being in favour of the neo-liberal free-market EU agenda?

I don't get it why far leftists support Remain, actually the SPEW go for Lexit so why not back them up

what would Lenin do? What would trotsky do? Seriously? Yeh let's ask people from Russia what we should do here. Let's get the beneficiaries of German capitalist largesse to tell us what to do. Pitiful.

 

[Friedrich986]

I thought you guys were fans of Trotsky, so why the harsh words about him?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Yeh they are awful have you any actual political objection to them?

Whereas sir Keir Starmer, attorney General in a tory administration, has all manner of credibility

He was CPS, which is not a political position. He was never Attorney General.

 

[Pickman's model]

they would have to become leader of a party whose membership are rapbilly pro-brexit.
they would have to somehow make up for losing a big chunk of their voters to UKIP or similar. Im not saying it wont happen - but i think its far more likely that the tories are severly fucked for many years to come.

Rapbilly? Name some rapbilly bands

 

[Pickman's model]

He was CPS, which is not a political position. He was never Attorney General.

Near as dammit anyway

 

[billy_bob]

Can we all just take a moment to laugh at Nadine Dorries?

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought you guys were fans of Trotsky, so why the harsh words about him?

Is it harsh to tell the truth?