Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Poot]

the pawns will only be the EU migrants, so the local lower earners will have no real problem with that

Phew. As long as they're not real people, that's the main thing.

 

[Wilf]

Lack of further leadership letters today is telling, though there may be more after the gang of five's inevitable failure in getting her to re-negotiate. I still have an inkling May gets her deal through, probably within the 21 day period after first failing to get it through. I know the figures don't seem to fit that, at the moment but she's had a couple of days where she's winning the psychodrama (yeah, I know ). Her route to success is probably the EU bods making some further minor tweaks around backstops and the rest, to hand a fig leaf over to her to dish out amongst the wavering. If she can get to the point where it really does come down to 'vote for the deal, or it's no deal and/or Corbyn', she might do it. Another way of thinking about all that is that the ERG/headbanger position and powerbase has weakened in the last 48 hours. It's just a little bit less attractive mast for the career minded mp to nail their colours to.

Realise my/her maths doesn't look good at the moment though.

 

[paolo]

Ideally the Tories lose power. However, we have elections every 5 years so they can be turfed out next time. Brexit is potentially permanent.

That.

 

[billy_bob]

Oh just go away you tiresome prick.

 

[Friedrich986]

Phew. As long as they're not real people, that's the main thing.

it may seem non virtuous to someone like yourself, but alas, this is how reality is

I for one, if stuck right at the bottom in my own country, wouldn't want massive extra competition, and it's a common sentiment to be heard in those parts

 

[paolo]

Starmer is working with Tory MPs.

So TopCat, looks like your prediction came true in only 24 hours.

Labour to force amendments that would block a no-deal Brexit

 

[billy_bob]

it may seem non virtuous to someone like yourself, but alas, this is how reality is

I for one, if stuck right at the bottom in my own country, wouldn't want massive extra competition, and it's a common sentiment to be heard in those parts

Interesting how you're positioning yourself outside of the group of people who you claim actually think like that. If it's true that you're not yourself trapped 'at the bottom', inescapably prey to your own ill-informed prejudices, perhaps you could do something more constructive than presume to tell us all about the 'reality' of people who are.

 

[Poi E]

Starmer is working with Tory MPs.

So TopCat, looks like your prediction came true in only 24 hours.

Labour to force amendments that would block a no-deal Brexit

Our nascent coalition government in the national interest.

 

[MickiQ]

Using the lower earners as pawns whilst the ruling classes decide the future you say? No, I can't see any problem with that at all.

Nope me neither.

not all of them , but the bar can be set at say min salary of 20K

if not, then no more work permit, unless....the EU plays ball

You realize the reason these people came here because there was work for them to do right? Who will do this work if they don't? Do you suggest a massive expansion of workfare?
As for the folks earning £20K+, (which includes a huge number of skilled NHS stfaff) I'm sure this will have no effect on their motivation or desire to stay in and conribute to the UK, none at all.

 

[Friedrich986]

Interesting how you're positioning yourself outside of the group of people who you claim actually think like that. If it's true that you're not yourself trapped 'at the bottom', inescapably prey to your own ill-informed prejudices, perhaps you could do something more constructive than presume to tell us all about the 'reality' of people who are.

I've said nothing about my current or past predicament(s)

 

[Friedrich986]

Nope me neither.


As for the folks earning £20K+, (which includes a huge number of skilled NHS stfaff) I'm sure this will have no effect on their motivation or desire to stay in and conribute to the UK, none at all.

It will actually be better for those people as their spending power will increase - lower rents etc etc..

Who will do the work? Local people and those immigrants with work permits

 

[redsquirrel]

That.

I thought you'd decided that you weren't arguing for a Remainers coalition?

 

[The Fornicator]

BBC headline: 'Brexit Turmoil'

I've seen zero turmoil over the weekend except for BBC news reports telling us there is no leadership challenge. All seems quiet and reflective.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Our nascent coalition government in the national interest.

to what end? pushing through a 2nd ref? or trying to renegotiate? very little mileage in the latter.

 

[DotCommunist]

to ensure that whatever happens neoliberal discipline is maintained

 

[paolo]

I thought you'd decided that you weren't arguing for a Remainers coalition?

??

Remind me of the post.

 

[MickiQ]

Our nascent coalition government in the national interest.

Politics in this country pretty much seems to have degenerated into a high stakes poker game.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

the pawns will only be the EU migrants, so the local lower earners will have no real problem with that

Was a reply to the above, not you!

 

[redsquirrel]

??

Remind me of the post.

The one(s) where you are against an alliance or the one(s) where you argue for such a thing.

 

[danny la rouge]

not all of them , but the bar can be set at say min salary of 20K

if not, then no more work permit, unless....the EU plays ball

Well, don't you sound delightful.

As someone who earns less than that bar, I'm delighted to see that my worth as a human being is only redeemed because I'm "local". I have a huge problem with governments or anyone else deciding that people on lower incomes should have fewer rights.

I don't support the current calls for a second referendum. That's just people who didn't like the outcome of the first blindly believing that people will vote differently if asked again. I can imagine circumstances in which the public might be asked whether or not they back whatever version of the deal is on the table, but I don't think "remain" should be an option if such a vote is held.

But frankly, I don't want anything to do with people like you. And I think we can all tell what sort of person you are from the way you disparage those of us on incomes below the level that you think earns us human rights.

 

[paolo]

The one(s) where you are against an alliance or the one(s) where you argue for such a thing.

I genuinely have no idea what posts you are talking about.

 

[danny la rouge]

the pawns will only be the EU migrants, so the local lower earners will have no real problem with that

Wrong. I've got a huge problem with that. See above.

 

[Supine]

I've said nothing about my current or past predicament(s)

Second rate returning troll seems to be the current predicament

 

[Pickman's model]

It will actually be better for those people as their spending power will increase - lower rents etc etc..

Who will do the work? Local people and those immigrants with work permits

Let the masters serve

 

[ska invita]

‘People’s vote’ more likely than election, says John McDonnell as Labour stance shifts

 

[SpackleFrog]

‘People’s vote’ more likely than election, says John McDonnell as Labour stance shifts

Fuck. Me.

Never mind the Blairite betrayals. Social Democracy can fuck itself up, all on its own.

 

[billy_bob]

Was a reply to the above, not you!

I know that For some reason it amuses me to appear to find myself the target of completely unjustified rage. (It's one of the things that's kept me on this site so long...)

 

[not a trot]

Leadsom thinks there is "still the potential to improve" May's deal.

Brexit plan can be improved - Leadsom

The only improvement required is to set fire to it.

 

[billy_bob]

The only improvement required is to set fire to it.

Leadsom's a waste of space alright, but immolation's a tad harsh...

 

[Pickman's model]

Leadsom's a waste of space alright, but immolation's a tad harsh...

Especially when there are fish in the south sandwich trench already salivating at word of her impending arrival