Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Wookey]

And I have read all 500 pages, just saying.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I'm hoping it does, I've been sitting on a press release for work since yesterday, can't send it out to the papers while this fuckstorm is going on, it'll drown. Makes you wonder how much other news is being held onto or biffed because of the all-consuming attention-vortex that is Brexit. I hope it all goes a bit quiet and I can get my story out!

Or, t'other way round, what's being thrown unto the sea to drown? What're we missing while we're all shitstorm-watching?

 

[Wookey]

Or, t'other way round, what's being thrown unto the sea to drown? What're we missing while we're all shitstorm-watching?

That too! It's quite incredible the things we might and seen and done if Brexit could be retrospectively erased, the time, effort and attention it has absorbed is frightening, the way it has mashed other agendas and dominated conversation.

 

[Yossarian]

I must say it seems weird to me that something of this magnitude and complexity has a single, solitary thread on Urban, there are so many aspects I would love to read discussion on that we're not touching because (I feel) we're all in this crowded room, no conjunctive arguments or layered debate, I suggest the restricted medium stifles quality, much as I love you all. . I don't know if that was editor's decision or a community call, but thought I'd mention it.

Plenty of room to start new threads - or bump old ones, there were so many at one point that there was a separate Brexit forum, before it all got condensed down to one mega-thread.

Although "Is Brexit actually going to happen" is still a relevant question and probably will be until some time in the 2020s...

 

[Lord Camomile]

That too! It's quite incredible the things we might and seen and done if Brexit could be retrospectively erased, the time, effort and attention it has absorbed is frightening, the way it has mashed other agendas and dominated conversation.

That's what always frustrates me about so much. All the effort that goes into propping communities up at the ground level, protesting bullshit, stopping people from basically being dicks; if we didn't have to do that, that could all be channeled into so much amazing stuff.

And yet...

 

[paolo]

I must say it seems weird to me that something of this magnitude and complexity has a single, solitary thread on Urban, there are so many aspects I would love to read discussion on that we're not touching because (I feel) we're all in this crowded room, no conjunctive arguments or layered debate, I suggest the restricted medium stifles quality, much as I love you all. . I don't know if that was editor's decision or a community call, but thought I'd mention it.

Yeah I'd agree with that. There's so many dimensions to this, and none of them really gets a good delve. We could probably have a whole thread on rail policy, for example - and bring in a bigger audience of our peers here - but for any one subject that washes in, on this thread, it washes away again in about an hour.

 

[Wookey]

Plenty of room to start new threads - or bump old ones, there were so many at one point that there was a separate Brexit forum, before it all got condensed down to one mega-thread.

Thanks Yoss, appreciated the backstory and advice! You know, I could't start a thread on Brexit, that would be to admit it's obsessing me...

A Brexit forum...my memory is shockin.

 

[paolo]

I can vaguely remember the forum. I'd be up for it reappearing. Would need more than just the ten of us participating though

 

[Wookey]

That's what always frustrates me about so much. All the effort that goes into propping communities up at the ground level, protesting bullshit, stopping people from basically being dicks; if we didn't have to do that, that could all be channeled into so much amazing stuff.

And yet...

Hearing you. What could we achieve without having to fuck about with fracking and homelessness, and foreign wars and pointless self-immoliation.

 

[Pickman's model]

And I have read all 500 pages, just saying.

How's your insomnia now?

 

[Wookey]

Yeah I'd agree with that. There's so many dimensions to this, and none of them really gets a good delve. We could probably have a whole thread on rail policy, for example - and bring in a bigger audience of our peers here - but for any one subject that washes in, on this thread, it washes away again in about an hour.

Yep. I just keep coming back here for a "steer from the peers" and it ain't happening. Saying that, it's a fractured subject (horribly inevitable, and yet still dotted with events that just seemed to fall into place against chance and luck, until the path was laid) and I vacillate between dismay, embarrassment and bemusement, but I'd like some kinda handle on this shit I suppose.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Brexiteers in plan to shift May on EU deal

 

[Lord Camomile]

Yep. I just keep coming back here for a "steer from the peers" and it ain't happening. Saying that, it's a fractured subject (horribly inevitable, and yet still dotted with events that just seemed to fall into place against chance and luck, until the path was laid) and I vacillate between dismay, embarrassment and bemusement, but I'd like some kinda handle on this shit I suppose.

Truth is, I don't think many have a real handle on this shit, and that includes the people who are supposed to be in charge of it.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Brexiteers in plan to shift May on EU deal

How can that be possible when the gravy train driver has said that’s ya lot?

 

[TopCat]

Yes - and in order to protect that project - they would rather the UK crash out then allow it a deal that leaves the UK better off than it was in the EU. They have conceded pretty much fuck all beyond small details - all the climbing down has been done by the uk.

Not at the brink yet. The EU arse will flutter when May is gone and a GE is called.

 

[TopCat]

When May resigns after the lost vote, the new leader will have to call a GE to have any chance of passing legislation (given the numbers).

 

[TopCat]

I think the no confidence letters are in. The holder can dither though in counting them.

 

[SpackleFrog]

How can that be possible when the gravy train driver has said that’s ya lot?

Does that matter?

 

[T & P]

And if one worries about how much energy and attention Brexit has monopolised in places like here, think of the effect it will have had at a national/ government level. It has overwhelmingly dominated policy, public discussion, and parliamentary time including policy making for the last three fucking years.

Fuck education; fuck health; fuck welfare; fuck infrastructure: fuck housing; fuck everything. Just Brexit Brexit Brexit.

Considering how long it usually takes for a new law or bill to clear parliament in quieter times, how many will have been passed since this shambles started? How many vital issues affecting people’s everyday lives far more greatly than Britain’s EU membership status is ever likely to have been neglected in the last three years? The damage from that alone might end up being very significant.

Not to mention society being at its most fractured and polarised it has been in living memory, or the contribution it has made towards the normalisation of deeply disturbing, sometimes openly prejudiced views into the mainstream media by individuals and public figures alike, something that would have been unthinkable a few years ago. No wonder the likes of Putin were so keen on a Leave result

Fuck the very day a referendum on the issue was ever proposed, and the cunt who made it happen to further improve his election prospects. This is the very worst and most fucking destructive peacetime event that has happened to this country in many decades, regardless of the eventual outcome.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the no confidence letters are in. The holder can dither though in counting them.

Word is none of the whips can count up to 48

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Does that matter?

I couldn’t give a fuck tbh mate

 

[SpackleFrog]

And if one worries about how much energy and attention Brexit has monopolised in places like here, think of the effect it will have had at a national/ government level. It has overwhelmingly dominated policy, public discussion, and parliamentary time including policy making for the last three fucking years.

Fuck education; fuck health; fuck welfare; fuck infrastructure: fuck housing; fuck everything. Just Brexit Brexit Brexit.

Considering how long it usually takes for a new law or bill to clear parliament in quieter times, how many will have been passed since this shambles started? How many vital issues affecting people’s everyday lives far more greatly than Britain’s EU membership status ever will have been neglected in the last three years? The damage from that alone might end up being very significant.

Not to mention society being at its most fractured and polarised it has been in living memory, or the contribution it has made towards the normalisation of deeply disturbing, sometimes openly prejudiced views into the mainstream media by individuals and public figures alike, something that would have been unthinkable a few years ago. No wonder the likes of Putin were so keen on a Leave result

Fuck the very day a referendum on the issue was ever proposed, and the cunt who made it happen to further improve his election prospects. This is the very worst and most fucking destructive peacetime event that has happened to this country in many decades, regardless of the eventual outcome.

Alright, chill out.

Given the fact we've got a bunch of Tory bastards in govt I'm in favour of anything that distracts them from our schools and hospitals to be honest as long as it's not bombing other countries.

Still very pleased to have voted Leave.

 

[TopCat]

I have always speculated that rotten to the core ambitious types are recognised and promoted to the high offices of state.
The evidence will be much waved by whips this weekend.

 

[Pickman's model]

Alright, chill out.

Given the fact we've got a bunch of Tory bastards in govt I'm in favour of anything that distracts them from our schools and hospitals to be honest as long as it's not bombing other countries.

Still very pleased to have voted Leave.

You won't be so pleased when you see what they do next

 

[SpackleFrog]

You won't be so pleased when you see what they do next

I'm applying the tactic of revolutionary defeatism comrade!

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm applying the tactic of revolutionary defeatism comrade!

Aye well you'll see a proper defeat tovarich

 

[SpackleFrog]

Aye well you'll see a proper defeat tovarich

Several proper defeats I suspect!

 

[Pickman's model]

Several proper defeats I suspect!

Yeh when you're voting in the 2024 European Parliament elections you can reflect on them

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeh when you're voting in the 2024 European Parliament elections you can reflect on them

We might not get representation in the Parliament any more! #GiveUpControl

Flint offering May a Grand Coalition and basically coming out to support the deal:

"The most frequent comments from voters now are: “Caroline, why haven’t we left yet?” And “Can’t you work together to sort this out?” I have been honest with remain voters about honouring the 2016 result, and my general election pledges. Equally, I have insisted to leave voters that a deal is the best outcome for jobs. Jeremy Corbyn is right when he argues we must bring leave and remain voters together. That’s why I called on the government to adopt a cross-party approach and invite Labour into their negotiating team. The government can never please the Tory hardline European Research Group faction. It’s not too late for the government to reach out to Jeremy Corbyn on aspects of an agreement. I have no idea what is going to happen next. The Government is imploding. While chaos reigns, few are focusing on the details. MPs promote agendas that have little to do with the agreement. Debate remains polarised.

But if parliament rejects Theresa May’s deal, I want assurances from my frontbench that we won’t become the accomplices of the hard Brexiters, leaving the UK crashing out on 29 March. On this crucial question, I have a right to know how we guarantee toavoid the worst of all outcomes."

As a Labour MP, if it’s a deal or no-deal Brexit I know where my duty lies | Caroline Flint

 

[Pickman's model]

We might not get representation in the Parliament any more! #GiveUpControl

Flint offering May a Grand Coalition and basically coming out to support the deal:

"The most frequent comments from voters now are: “Caroline, why haven’t we left yet?” And “Can’t you work together to sort this out?” I have been honest with remain voters about honouring the 2016 result, and my general election pledges. Equally, I have insisted to leave voters that a deal is the best outcome for jobs. Jeremy Corbyn is right when he argues we must bring leave and remain voters together. That’s why I called on the government to adopt a cross-party approach and invite Labour into their negotiating team. The government can never please the Tory hardline European Research Group faction. It’s not too late for the government to reach out to Jeremy Corbyn on aspects of an agreement. I have no idea what is going to happen next. The Government is imploding. While chaos reigns, few are focusing on the details. MPs promote agendas that have little to do with the agreement. Debate remains polarised.

But if parliament rejects Theresa May’s deal, I want assurances from my frontbench that we won’t become the accomplices of the hard Brexiters, leaving the UK crashing out on 29 March. On this crucial question, I have a right to know how we guarantee toavoid the worst of all outcomes."

As a Labour MP, if it’s a deal or no-deal Brexit I know where my duty lies | Caroline Flint

Not like we have representation on parliament now