Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Sasaferrato]

Manifesto pledges are more important than the law? Or the right to life?? And she didn't keep the bloody pledge anyway!

<Sigh>

 

[SpookyFrank]

Are you mad? One of the most senior jobs in government and you think 'just following orders, guv' is an acceptable excuse?

She even called repeatedly for the abolition of human rights protections to make her 'duty' easier to carry out. I wouldn't follow any order that violated human rights but that's just me.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I take my orders from the people of Britain.

Except those people of Britain. Those people of Britain I take from their homes and shove on a plane.

You have made no point. Conversation closed.

 

[belboid]

<Sigh>

Is that cos you've just realised what a daft load of old bollocks you've come out with?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You have made no point. Conversation closed.

No point? I have made a very specific point about the disgusting actions May ordered while Home Secretary. She was the head of that department. She was not following orders (not that that's an excuse). She was giving the orders.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I really don't understand you here. A government minister has an obligation to carry out the function of that office. The Home Office is in charge of immigration. If a party has made a manifesto promise to reduce immigration, and is elected, then the have at least a moral obligation to fulfill their manifesto promise.

What about the manifesto pledge to not reorganise the NHS? That went out the window on day one of Cameron's government.

 

[Calamity1971]

A government minister has an obligation to carry out the function of that office.

Only if they agree with it (which makes her a cunt) if they don't agree with it they're an even bigger cunt for staying in that role.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I'M SERIOUS WHAT IS THE DEAL???!!

Well, there is the short version, which appears to show things carrying on much as before, at least in the short/medium term, or the 500 odd page version that I haven't read.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Only if they agree with it (which makes her a cunt) if they don't agree with it they're an even bigger cunt for staying in that role.

Every person has their price.

 

[Wilf]

Cameron, today: 'oops!'

 

[bemused]

I'm loving MPs trolling the Tories

 

[Kaka Tim]

ledsom has said she is not resigning. So we may relax knowing that we will still enjoy her talents within government.

 

[Calamity1971]

Every person has their price.

That's some fucking price.
Ive never been bought incase you're wondering.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Every person has their price.

What are you on about? What was May's price for reluctantly deporting all those people?

 

[bemused]

Oh and the Remain wing of the Tory party showing some balls

 

[Sasaferrato]

That's some fucking price.
Ive never been bought incase you're wondering.

You are unemployed? Never been employed?

 

[Wilf]

May is certainly resilient, in the face of unrelenting pressure - as was John Major with 'the bastards'. But that doesn't give me one iota of sympathy for her, even without her Home Office crimes. She's a fucking remainer but was willing to carry brexit through if it gave her a chance to be PM. Trapped by her own dishonesty and ambition. Fuck her.

 

[Calamity1971]

You are unemployed? Never been employed?

Taking a salary isn't being bought (it's called a need to eat) Telling you're employer to fuck off when you see injustice is probably why I'm often unemployed. Hth

 

[Kaka Tim]

ETA - already posted above

 

[Winot]

So, effectively we will be under EU 'rules', but with no voice?

Correct

 

[Sasaferrato]

Oh and the Remain wing of the Tory party showing some balls

Well, going by the figures quoted in an unmentionable scion of the press today, there is not a cat in hell's chance of this going through. Labour, SNP, Lib Dems, DUP, Green and about 80 Tories will vote against. If the opposition hold together, the DUP on their own would bring it down.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

May is certainly resilient, in the face of unrelenting pressure - as was John Major with 'the bastards'. But that doesn't give me one iota of sympathy for her, even without her Home Office crimes. She's a fucking remainer but was willing to carry brexit through if it gave her a chance to be PM. Trapped by her own dishonesty and ambition. Fuck her.

And I think some people are fooled into thinking she isn't a ruthless political operator. She seems to carry some kind of 'decent' tag due to her manner. Surely the way she threw Rudd under the bus over Windrush should disabuse everyone of that notion.

 

[Wilf]

I personally thought it was impossible we'd get to a 2nd (in/out) ref, as in which group of politicians would find it in their self interest to push that through? But the way to a 2nd re is opening up, though not yet. Could well be about channels of communication opening up between a couple of tory wets and labour shadow cabinet members (not Corbyn, he looks well short of committing himself to a 2nd ref).

 

[Kaka Tim]

Oh and the Remain wing of the Tory party showing some balls

I was listening to the debate and when may warned about rejecting her deal resulting in "no brexit at all" there was a loud cheer from mps.
i cant see how her tactic of trying to scare people with the prospect of something want is going to work.
She steadfastly refused to address the question of what was going to happen when her deal is rejected.

 

[Crispy]

overnight yougov: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...cument/wywx6pr4gx/PVResults_181115_Snap_w.pdf

Key figures (excluding won't vote and don't know):

Would you vote Remain/Leave if referendum today? 54/46
Would you Support/Oppose a public vote on The Deal? 59/42 (rounding error?)
Should MPs vote Against/For The Deal? 63/37
And if they vote Against, would you Support/Oppose a public vote on the next step? 64/36
In that vote, would you vote Remain/Hard Brexit? 56/44

 

[not-bono-ever]

it s bit shocking to think that some still consider these sludge eels to have any kind of honour or duty in heir nasty fucking lives


Next up -people join the police to make a difference shocker

 

[Nine Bob Note]

Next Conservative Leader

Dominic Raab 9/2
Sajid Javid 11/2
Boris Johnson 6/1
Michael Gove 6/1
David Davis 6/1
Jeremy Hunt 7/1

Happy days

 

[Kaka Tim]

Well, going by the figures quoted in an unmentionable scion of the press today, there is not a cat in hell's chance of this going through. Labour, SNP, Lib Dems, DUP, Green and about 80 Tories will vote against. If the opposition hold together, the DUP on their own would bring it down.

If it comes down to a choice between 2nd ref and a crashing out though?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I personally thought it was impossible we'd get to a 2nd (in/out) ref, as in which group of politicians would find it in their self interest to push that through? But the way to a 2nd re is opening up, though not yet. Could well be about channels of communication opening up between a couple of tory wets and labour shadow cabinet members (not Corbyn, he looks well short of committing himself to a 2nd ref).

One can but hope.

There has been speculation that if a re-run came up with a narrow 'remain', then the 'leavers' would try and force a General Election.

It truly is a fucking shambles. There are no winners here. The £ has dropped against the € and the $ already.

 

[bemused]

I was listening to the debate and when may warned about rejecting her deal resulting in "no brexit at all" there was a loud cheer from mps.
i cant see how her tactic of trying to scare people with the prospect of something want is going to work.
She steadfastly refused to address the question of what was going to happen when her deal is rejected.

Her tactic is clear - my brexit or no brexit.

If Labour can't get a GE but can get enough votes for a 2nd vote they'll break the Tory party.